Whoa................

[Big_Dave]

Damn! Close to home! The asphalt plant that I've been hauling out of is just 1 mile away. :wow:

Officer kills man in Kasota
Authorities say little about shooting

By Robb Murray
Free Press Staff Writer

KASOTA — In the parking lot of a Kasota apartment building Monday, Jolene Manderfield watched a cop fire four bullets into the chest of Tyler Heilman.
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Moments later — after administering CPR for 15 minutes — she watched him die.
“He shot him right in the heart,” Manderfield said. “I knew I wasn’t going to be able to bring him back.”
Still, she tried. And as she compressed his heart and frantically spoke his name, sirens sounded and people gathered, and word quickly spread among Kasotans that Heilman, a 24-year-old stay-at-home dad, had been killed by a cop many in town seemed to know, but whom authorities declined to identify.
One person who heard those sirens was Abby Bauleke, Heilman’s girlfriend.
“I tried calling him and sending him messages ... Then I heard the helicopter and I came down,” she said, sobbing. “I got down here and said, ‘Tell me it’s not him!’ And they said, ‘It’s him.’”
She said she asked anyone who would listen to tell her what happened, but no one seemed to know the full story. Even Le Sueur County Sheriff Dave Gliszinski, addressing the media at about 9:15 p.m. Monday, declined to answer questions about the incident.
But a lot of bystanders seemed to know at least one side of the story, the one provided by witnesses.
Heilman and a friend, they say, were driving around Kasota at about 3:30 p.m. Monday when Heilman committed a traffic offense, perhaps running through a stop sign. At some point, an investigator with the Le Sueur County Sheriff’s Department followed Heilman and confronted him in the parking lot of the Valley View Apartments.
An argument ensued, and it was overheard by Manderfield, who was walking from the parking lot to the front door of the apartment building at the time.
The argument, which some said escalated to a physical altercation, prompted Manderfield to turn around and investigate. And as she turned the corner, she said she saw the officer reach for his gun, pull it out, point it at Heilman and fire what she believes was four shots into his chest (some in town say they heard just three shots.)
Heilman had been swimming at Lake Emily and was wearing nothing but his trunks.
“(The officer) pulled out his gun and just started shooting,” Manderfield said. “He didn’t yell ‘Freeze!’ or anything. I said, ‘What are you doing!’”
Manderfield administered CPR until paramedics arrived, but she says she knew immediately that it was hopeless.
“It was so senseless. (Heilman’s) arms were like this,” she said, raising her arms straight out from her sides. “I saw him. He knew (Heilman) didn’t have a weapon.”
http://www.mankato-freepress.com/local/local_story_202002804.html

[slimjim]

Here's the "Rest of the Story" as He said......

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=820367&catid=2 (http://http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=820367&catid=2)

[Big_Dave]

Your link goes nowhere.

However, the officer that did the shooting is under investigation by a Grand Jury.

http://www.startribune.com/local/64085907.html

[Rockjockey]

Just out of idle curiosity, Slimjim, are you a cop?

[wombat]

Here is the link he was trying to post:

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=820367
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[Jimbo]

It doesn't sound good, no matter how you look at it. Even if the guy knew he was being stopped by a deputy, and failed to comply, you don't go throwing someone to the ground over a minor vehicle operation violation. But there is always things you don't get from the good folks in the news media. Maybe there were other circumstances, that will come to light in the Grand Jury.

I always give cops the benefit of the doubt. I also know what it is like to shoot someone in self defense, only to have people with half the facts judge what I did. As bad as this story seems to be, I refuse to judge anyone based on what I hear in the news. If he did kill the man without due cause, his penalty should be swift, and severe. Since killing a cop has more weight legally, than killing a civilian, a cop's punishment for killing without cause should have a more severe penalty too.

[Rockjockey]

I'm surprised you didn't say that the guy got what he deserved, and the cop should have put a full clip in his chest, Jimbo.

[slimjim]

http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=820367

yup, i'm a newbie and learning how to back up to the dock.

[Pipeman]

I hope he goes to the big house for a few years at least.

[Jimbo]

I'm surprised you didn't say that the guy got what he deserved, and the cop should have put a full clip in his chest, Jimbo.

Well, Rocky, I have 2 rules that control most of my actions dealing with shooting people.

#1- Never, ever shoot as anything other than a last resort. I don't run from a fight, but I will withdraw from an attacker if given the chance, for legal reasons.

#2- If the last resort requirement has been reached, I shoot to kill. If I don't intend to kill someone, I will not shoot them.

My rule for when to stop shooting someone, who I needed to start shooting?

If one of the following happens:

#1- I run out of ammo

#2- If I shoot them, and they don't twitch at all, indicating they are dead, I can stop pumping bullets into the dead attacker.


As far as the incident being talked about here, I believe that the punishment should be swift and severe, if it was a bad shoot. I just reserve my views on if it was a bad shoot or not, till all the facts are in. I wasn't there, just like everyone else posting here. Without seeing what happened with my own eyes, I am not ready to pile on someone without knowing all there is to know.

[Pipeman]

Hey Jimbo....where did these guys get their training???


San Jose police investigate officers after cellphone video shows beating of unarmed student


2 hours, 27 minutes ago

By The Associated Press

SAN JOSE, Calif. - A cellphone video that shows police officers repeatedly hitting an unarmed university student with batons and a Taser gun has prompted a criminal investigation into the officers' conduct, a San Jose police spokesman said.

The video, posted by the San Jose Mercury News on its Web site late Saturday, shows one officer hitting 20-year-old Vietnamese student Phuong Ho with a metal baton more than 10 times, including once on the head. Another officer is seen using his Taser gun on the San Jose State math major.

The final baton strike in last month's incident appears to take place after handcuffs have been attached to Ho's wrists. The last baton strike ought to bring a felony charge, said Roger Clark, a police expert and a retired lieutenant with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department.

"It takes me back to the day I saw the Rodney King video on TV," said Clark. The 1991 videotaped beating of the black motorist in Los Angeles resulted in charges against several officers and their acquittal the following year spawned a riot.

Officers arrested Ho on suspicion of assaulting one of his roommates. He was not armed when police arrived and he told the newspaper he did not resist arrest.

The confrontation began Sept. 3 when Ho's roommate, Jeremy Suftin, put soap on Ho's steak. The two scuffled, and Ho picked up a steak knife, saying that in his home country he would have killed Suftin for doing what he did.

Police were called, and four officers responded.

Officer Kenneth Siegel encountered Ho in the hallway, but could not understand the student's accent, police reports said. Ho then ignored a police command to stand still, reports said.

When Ho tried to follow Siegel into his room, officer Steven Payne Jr. moved to handcuff Ho. Payne wrote in his report that he pushed the student into a wall and then forced him to the floor when he resisted being handcuffed.

Ho, who weighs more than 200 pounds (90 kilograms), said his glasses fell off. As he went to pick them up, the officers struck him, he said.

Another one of Ho's roommates, Dimitri Masouris, captured the events on his cellphone. An officer can be heard on the video shouting, "Turn over!" Ho can be heard moaning and crying as he's struck.

"In philosophy, they call it 'dehumanization,"' Ho told the Mercury News. "So when they think me a dangerous guy, they don't treat me like I was human. They hit me like an animal or something."

Masouris said he considered the police response excessive. He sold the tape to San Jose lawyer Duyen Hoang Nguyen, who is representing Ho.

The Mercury News obtained a copy of the video and showed it to Daniel Katz, San Jose's assistant police chief. The police department is taking the matter very seriously, he said.

San Jose Mayor Chuck Reed said the incident would be investigated by the internal affairs division of the San Jose Police Department and the results forwarded to the Santa Clara County district attorney for possible criminal prosecution.

"Both investigations must respect the constitutionally guaranteed right of due process, which belongs to all parties to an investigation," Reed said Sunday in a statement.

The city's large Vietnamese-American community is already angry over the police shooting of a mentally ill Vietnamese man in May, the newspaper said in an editorial about Ho's beating. The lack of public disclosure in the investigation that followed was also a problem, the paper said.
Police experts said the grainy, shaky video is difficult to view and may not show actions by Ho that justified the officers' response. Nevertheless, several said the video raises serious concerns.
"Once he is handcuffed, then he is helpless," said Frank Jordan, a former San Francisco police chief and mayor. "If you can show that his hands are behind his back, and he is handcuffed, that is where you get brutality. That would be excessive force."
Siegel and Payne didn't respond to written requests for comment sent through department officials and their union.
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[Jimbo]

Well, once again, if I wasn't there to see what happened, I would not feel qualified to pass judgement on the cops. Ho might have moved in a way the officers viewed as a threat. Maybe they were anticipating a problem so much, they went way over the line reacting to a non threatening movement.

There are a lot of videos on the news of cops beating people, that never show what lead up to that moment. They show a guy getting beat, but forget to show you the part where the guy was told 3 or 4 times to lay down, and refused.

Plus, have you ever met a college student that didn't deserve a good beating?
(relax Rocky, I am just kidding about that part)