This was funny

[USAF_2T2]

Pull a blue Honda Civic with a nice paint job over for speeding. No big deal, but I smell alcohol coming from the car. I pull the driver over (19 y/o female) and she says she isn't drinking, and I don't smell it on her. I have her sit on the bumper of my car.

I get the other passenger out of the car (17 y/o female) and she says she hasn't been drinking either. Which was BS. I tell her, "I have been playing this game to long to fall for that." :rofl: :rofl: I ask the driver for consent and at first she says no. I say, "if you have nothing in there then you have nothing to worry about." She replies, "there is nothing in there, but I don't want you to look." I say "OK." I call the K-9 to come over to where I am. When he shows up the girls says, "you can look, but don't let the dog scratch my car." So I am looking and find 2 beer cans open in the car. The 17 y/o admits to both, and I issue the 19 y/o a ticket for open container and handcuff the 17 y/o. (the reason for handcuffing the female was to process her and wait for someone to pick her up at the PD.) We try to call anyone of her family to pick her up and she starts crying. The 19 y/o is released with a citation.

Back at the Pig Pen (Police station)
I said, "what's wrong, all you are getting is a ticket and we are waiting for someone to pick you up, you are not in major trouble."
Here's where it get's funny.
She replies, "This is fu**ing bulls**t, I had a DD and we weren't committing a crime, it isn't like you guys have never done that."
I say, "are you serious? You think it is OK to drink, in a car, under 21, and think it is OK because other people do it? If I had done it and if I was caught I would owe up to it and take my punishment."
She say, "bulls**t, you would have called your Cop friends to get you out."
I let it go at that point as it was not going anywhere, but I found it funny that in her mind it was ok to drink underage if you have a DD. She was serious about it.

I take her before the Magistrate and tell him the story about all that happened and he asks me why I didn't just cite and release her. I tell him that we were unable to contact anyone to pick her up. Then guess who walks in? Her Dad. One of the 17 y/o's friends called him and let him know where his daughter was.

He comes in drunk, reeking of alcohol, and I ask him to have a seat and to be quiet as it is a courtroom setting. He is OK for about 15 seconds and gets loud. He grabs his daughter and tries to leave with her as I am giving my paperwork to the Magistrate. I tell him to let her go, he tells me that it is his fu**ing daughter and that he would whip my azz if I tried to stop him. I hook him up for 1)Contempt of Court, 2) Intoxicated and Disruptive, and 3) Obstructing Justice. Some drunks are just easy to handcuff. (would have gone for DWI, but I didn't see him drive up)

Both were taken to jail with the daughter under a custody release (it means that a family member can pick her up if they are sober and a close relative). Mr 17 y/o's Dad also got a $300 secure bond (you have to have $300 to get out, it can be paid with cash or by a bail bondsman). So I take both to jail and you would think it was a family reunion there. I call our communications to have the Jailers open the garage so I could pull in and close the door behind me(officer safety issue). He was cussing me the whole way there and threating. The daughter was telling him to shut up almost the whole way. What starts out as a simple ticket gets 2 people sent to jail. Another day another $0.50.

:rofl:

I bet they sue you for harrassment! :harhar: :rofl:

[Bikerboy]

I don't see what the big deal was! No one was drinking and driving, so you guys should just be glad the driver was sober and let them go!

Why does it matter if someone is drinking in a car? if there not driving, whats the big deal?

And that drinking age of 21 is the biggest joke i ever heard of. Around here the drinking age is 19, but almost everyone drinks around age 14 or 15.

If i was you, i would just have been glad the driver was sober, and let them go, maybe take there alcohol or something. But no ticket or arrest or anything.
They were just having some fun and not hurting anyone
( since the driver was sober)

Maybe if it wasn't illegal to drink in cars, there wouldn't be so many empties thrown in the ditches, People throw them, cuz they don' want to get caught with empties.
Around here empties can be returned for 10 cents each. So more people would hang onto them if it wasn't illegal to have empties laying around.

[Foxfire]

It's the law BB. Most states have an open container law and have had for years. The 19 yr old just got a ticket and if the 17 yr old had behaved she would have been sent home with a relative. Very simple. But her father showed up drunk as a skunk and made a scene also. This would try the nerves of a Saint.
I say make it harder on them and maybe they won't drink when they get older. It worked for my kids..... all 4 of them. Just to see the inside of that jail was enough to make them think............. This ain't worth all that! And none of them went to jail, just got threatened.

[Wrongway]

So how does that open container thing work?
How does it apply, or not, to party limo's / busses?
Is it just alcohol or can the contents be anything at all?

Ive never had to deal with it and I'm curious.

[USAF_2T2]

Here you go Wrongway. THe bolded areas I hope answer your questions. The first bolded states what open container for passengers mean and the second phrase that is bolded is for limo's. Hope this helps.

§ 20‑138.7. (Effective until September 30, 2006) Transporting an open container of alcoholic beverage.

(a) Offense. – No person shall drive a motor vehicle on a highway or the right‑of‑way of a highway:

(1) While there is an alcoholic beverage in the passenger area in other than the unopened manufacturer's original container; and

(2) While the driver is consuming alcohol or while alcohol remains in the driver's body.

(a1) Offense. – No person shall possess an alcoholic beverage other than in the unopened manufacturer's original container, or consume an alcoholic beverage, in the passenger area of a motor vehicle while the motor vehicle is on a highway or the right‑of‑way of a highway. For purposes of this subsection, only the person who possesses or consumes an alcoholic beverage in violation of this subsection shall be charged with this offense.

(a2) Exception. – It shall not be a violation of subsection (a1) of this section for a passenger to possess an alcoholic beverage other than in the unopened manufacturer's original container, or for a passenger to consume an alcoholic beverage, if the container is:

(1) In the passenger area of a motor vehicle that is designed, maintained, or used primarily for the transportation of persons for compensation;

(2) In the living quarters of a motor home or house car as defined in G.S. 20‑4.01(27)d2.; or

(3) In a house trailer as defined in G.S. 20‑4.01(14).

(a3) Meaning of Terms. – Under this section, the term "motor vehicle" means only those types of motor vehicles which North Carolina law requires to be registered, whether the motor vehicle is registered in North Carolina or another jurisdiction.

(b) Subject to Implied‑Consent Law. – An offense under this section is an alcohol‑related offense subject to the implied‑consent provisions of G.S. 20‑16.2.

(c) Odor Insufficient. – The odor of an alcoholic beverage on the breath of the driver is insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that alcohol was remaining in the driver's body in violation of this section, unless the driver was offered an alcohol screening test or chemical analysis and refused to provide all required samples of breath or blood for analysis.

(d) Alcohol Screening Test. – Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alcohol screening test may be administered to a driver suspected of violating subsection (a) of this section, and the results of an alcohol screening test or the driver's refusal to submit may be used by a law enforcement officer, a court, or an administrative agency in determining if alcohol was present in the driver's body. No alcohol screening tests are valid under this section unless the device used is one approved by the Commission for Health Services, and the screening test is conducted in accordance with the applicable regulations of the Commission as to the manner of its use.

(e) Punishment; Effect When Impaired Driving Offense Also Charged. – Violation of subsection (a) of this section shall be a Class 3 misdemeanor for the first offense and shall be a Class 2 misdemeanor for a second or subsequent offense. Violation of subsection (a) of this section is not a lesser included offense of impaired driving under G.S. 20‑138.1, but if a person is convicted under subsection (a) of this section and of an offense involving impaired driving arising out of the same transaction, the punishment imposed by the court shall not exceed the maximum applicable to the offense involving impaired driving, and any minimum applicable punishment shall be imposed. Violation of subsection (a1) of this section by the driver of the motor vehicle is a lesser‑included offense of subsection (a) of this section. A violation of subsection (a) shall be considered a moving violation for purposes of G.S. 20‑16(c).

Violation of subsection (a1) of this section shall be an infraction and shall not be considered a moving violation for purposes of G.S. 20‑16(c).

(f) Definitions. – If the seal on a container of alcoholic beverages has been broken, it is opened within the meaning of this section. For purposes of this section, "passenger area of a motor vehicle" means the area designed to seat the driver and passengers and any area within the reach of a seated driver or passenger, including the glove compartment. The area of the trunk or the area behind the last upright back seat of a station wagon, hatchback, or similar vehicle shall not be considered part of the passenger area. The term "alcoholic beverage" is as defined in G.S. 18B‑101(4).

(g) Pleading. – In any prosecution for a violation of subsection (a) of this section, the pleading is sufficient if it states the time and place of the alleged offense in the usual form and charges that the defendant drove a motor vehicle on a highway or the right‑of‑way of a highway with an open container of alcoholic beverage after drinking.

In any prosecution for a violation of subsection (a1) of this section, the pleading is sufficient if it states the time and place of the alleged offense in the usual form and charges that (i) the defendant possessed an open container of alcoholic beverage in the passenger area of a motor vehicle while the motor vehicle was on a highway or the right‑of‑way of a highway, or (ii) the defendant consumed an alcoholic beverage in the passenger area of a motor vehicle while the motor vehicle was on a highway or the right‑of‑way of a highway.

(h) Limited Driving Privilege. – A person who is convicted of violating subsection (a) of this section and whose drivers license is revoked solely based on that conviction may apply for a limited driving privilege as provided for in G.S. 20‑179.3. The judge may issue the limited driving privilege only if the driver meets the eligibility requirements of G.S. 20‑179.3, other than the requirement in G.S. 20‑179.3(b)(1)c. G.S. 20‑179.3(e) shall not apply. All other terms, conditions, and restrictions provided for in G.S. 20‑179.3 shall apply. G.S. 20‑179.3, rather than this subsection, governs the issuance of a limited driving privilege to a person who is convicted of violating subsection (a) of this section and of driving while impaired as a result of the same transaction. (1995, c. 506, s. 9; 2000‑155, s. 4.)

[USAF_2T2]

NOTE--Those are North Carolina Laws that I posted.

[USAF_2T2]

I don't see what the big deal was! No one was drinking and driving, so you guys should just be glad the driver was sober and let them go!

Why does it matter if someone is drinking in a car? if there not driving, whats the big deal?

And that drinking age of 21 is the biggest joke i ever heard of. Around here the drinking age is 19, but almost everyone drinks around age 14 or 15.

If i was you, i would just have been glad the driver was sober, and let them go, maybe take there alcohol or something. But no ticket or arrest or anything.
They were just having some fun and not hurting anyone
( since the driver was sober)

I don't understand why you think it is OK to break the law if it isn't bothering anyone else.

Think of it like this. There are reasons why companies have to put warnings on items they sell like, Masengil (feminine wash) states that you are not to take it orally. Why? Because some moron actually did that and sued the company.

Laws are like they are for primarily the same reasons. To protect you and I from the morons that can't think for themselves.

The tickets the girls recieved are fairly cheap considering, but it is the point that you shouldn't do it. Do I agree with the law? Maybe not, but I am in neither the position or authority to decide which laws I enforce or not.

Here is another thought, say the passenger is totally wasted and pukes on the driver or in that area causing an accident. Do you think I could be held liable if I didn't diffuse the situation when I had the opportunity. It is called CYA (Cover Your Azz).

[Magnolia]

I agree, if it was my kid in that car I would have wanted the cops to do the exact same thing. I would want to know if my kid is out there breaking the law, and drinking under age.
I will be honest I did it, and I regret it. But heck I was in bars at age 13.
But back then the drinking age in Louisiana was 18 it changed shortly after I turned 21 only because if they didn't change it to 21 they were going to lose a lot of their federal money for the highways. So they changed it.
New Orleans has an open container law but get this you can go thru a drive thru daiquiri shop and purchase a drink BUT now here is the big but as long as they do not put the straw in the container its not an OPEN container......... :wtf: !
I have to give it to Nawlins they know how to get around certain laws.
But then again it's Nawlins !
One of the many reason's we moved away from there. It's a great place to visit and party but IMO not for raising children.

You did the right thing by taking that girl to the station, these kids need to know there are consequences to their actions and I hope she learned one. Maybe she won't grow up to be like her dad. What an example he is for her.......very sad!

[Wrongway]

USAF, I won't debate your actions.
Clearly you acted within the boundaries of your laws.

I do think the law regarding the passenger(s) is a bit much.
The barfing thing is a bit of a stretch.

Personally, I probably would have let them slide as long as the driver hadn't been drinking. That's just me.

I guess I've never been much on worrying about CYA to the degree some do.

[Crystal Pistol]

Good hits :rofl: USAF 2T2.

See far too many serious injury and fatal 10-50s involving underage drinking. The attitude displayed shows they have little reguard for law but are basing their behaiviour on what they think every body else does.

How do they know what anybody (outside the circle of friends they have) does? They don't.

They even go so far as to tell you that you do it to, and how you'ld react then? They have no clue. Time they (and "Papa") get "clued in" I'm thinking.

I know that it's not about CYA ...
... it's about enforcement of laws passed by a legislature elected by the people. It's about making the roads safer. It's about following one's conscience and "doing the job" that is asked of you.

Thanks ............... :cheers:

[Pipester]

I can't beleive anyone would question driking and drining....Sheeeeeesh....how many innocents are in cemeteries all over the world because of drivers that are consuming in a vehicle or getting into a vehicle while impaired ????

[Wrongway]

I can't beleive anyone would question driking and drining....Sheeeeeesh No one is questioning drinking & driving being a big problem. The driver wasn't drinking.
Here is another thought, say the passenger is totally wasted and pukes on the driver or in that area causing an accident. Do you think I could be held liable if I didn't diffuse the situation when I had the opportunity. It is called CYA (Cover Your Azz). I know that it's not about CYA ...Not pointing a finger at you CP, but how many times have you read in the posts that someone was not allowed to skate for a relatively minor infraction because the officer thought of cya? I know I've read it several times.It's about following one's conscience and "doing the job" that is asked of you.Again CP, not pointing a finger at you when I say, The only problem I have receiving a ticket for something minor is if the ticketing officer's conscience would allow a relative or friend off for the same thing I'm getting a ticket for.

[MoonRunner]

I agree that a 17 year old should not be drinking regardless of a dd or not. A question for thought however is this...Is an empty alcohol container considered an open container of alcohol? If so then why is the guy collecting cans on the side of the road not in violation. I was asked that question in court one day. Fortunately there was other evidence in plain view that sustained the arrest other than the open containers that were in plain view.

[Big_Dave]

A question for thought however is this...Is an empty alcohol container considered an open container of alcohol? If so then why is the guy collecting cans on the side of the road not in violation. I was asked that question in court one day. Fortunately there was other evidence in plain view that sustained the arrest other than the open containers that were in plain view.
Common sense needs to be applied in this situation.

If you happen across a guy that has a bag or two of cans (different brand names on them), most likely he's been picking them out of a dumpster or from the roadside to take them in for recycling. It's highly doubtful that he'd be swilling the last drops in any can that was found.

When I used to drink beer, I'd do it at home, but I'd toss the cans in the bed of my pickup. After a day or two, there'd be a layer of 'road dust' on them or they'd have blown around enough to scuff the finish.

Did I have........
Empty containers, yes.
Beer on my breath, no.
Could I.....
Pass a roadside DWI check, yes.
Pass a blood test, yes.
Charge me with 'open container' and I'd see you in court. I bet I'd win.

A 'picky' officer could've had a hey day with me a couple weeks ago. I took in all my aluminum cans that have piled up over the last 2 years. Took 3 trips with a FULL pickup load (piled higher than the cab), each trip, to get them all up to the can buyer.

One other thing, the 'beer smell' goes away after the liquid evaporates.

Nine times out of ten, if someone is drinking and driving, they aren't smart enough to ditch the container. They'll usually slip it behind the drivers seat on the floor.

[hellcat_99]

BB, what are you thinking? The law is the law.
Even if the DD wasn't driving then, they had to drive home some time. All the drinker has to do, is lean over & give the wheel a good pull, & then an accident happens. I really don't understand your train of thought on this one.
As for throwing empties out the window, that's just discusting. I don't condone underage drinking, but @ least if they are @ a private home, & not driving around drinking, others are safe.
For the father to show up drunk, you know that's a great way to raise a child. No wonder she thinks it's ok.

Holly

[Bikerboy]

The open container law for passengers makes no sense. Whats the difference if the passsenger was drinking at a bar, or drinking while riding in the car. Either way the passnger is a hazard, some people said the passnger could puke or grab the wheel and crash, that could happen when driving home from a bar.

Maybe is should also be illegal to have a drunk passenger in the car! LOL

Another way to look at is, it is perfectly legal for a 19 year old to have one drink, then go drive, but if they brought the empty with them in the cab, they could be charged with open container.
But if they throw the container away, the cops can't charge the person with anything, cuz obviosly they won't blow over after one beer!

All this law does is encourage people to throw there empty out the window!

There are way too many stupid laws. I still think the cops should just have been glad the driver was sober, And let them go. Screw the other laws, they are all stupid money grab laws, that are no danger to anyone.

I don't think i could ever be a cop, i wouldn't be able to enforce all these laws i don't agree with. Some of them are so stupid.

I also think alot of speed limits are so low, just so the gov't can get more money from fines, so i would have trouble giving speeding tickets, when i can see the person was driving fine, nomatter what the speed was.

Like all over ontario, most 2 lane roads have 80km/h speed limit, i can't even imagine driving that slow, it feels like you are walking! Thank god my county has 90 km/k speed limits, so i can run 110 km/h and not be bothered by the cops, now that is a reasonable speed, it think all roads should be at least 110 km/h speed limit.

Now don't think i mean drunk driving is ok, i never said anything like that, I'm just saying i don't see why it is illegal when a passsnger is drinking in a vehicle

I never drive drunk(never more than 2-3 drinks over 6-8 hours) or drink at all if i'm gonna be driving big truck.

[lonewolf]

Another way to look at is, it is perfectly legal for a 19 year old to have one drink, then go drive, but if they brought the empty with them in the cab, they could be charged with open container

it is not legal in this country for a 19 year old to even have one drink,the drinking age here is 21.

BB,the girl in question in the original story is 17 years old,she was not of legal drinking age,there for she was breaking the law

[Bikerboy]

I know that! but still, why do the cops even bother harassing underage anymore, they will never stop it. Even george bushs daughters got caught for it!

Theres alot more important stuff, like thefts and murders than harassing underage drinkers!

[USAF_2T2]

Theres alot more important stuff, like thefts and murders than harassing underage drinkers!

What you fail to realize is that a law is a law. I agree murder and theft carry extended penalties, but underage drinking is a law that I swore to enforce.

Whether you think it is important or not boggles my mind. Say you are driving down a 2 lane road and a drunk passenger decided to "sleep it off" in the car. On the way to the back seat the said passenger nudges the steering wheel and the car hits you head on. You would be singing a different tune then.

Laws are like warnings on products. They are there because the general public decides not to use the product in the way it was intended. Kinda like poison, it says to not ingest. It has to say that because someone somewhere did it and hurt or killed themself.

Maybe is should also be illegal to have a drunk passenger in the car! LOL

Not a bad idea, if the car has a back seat then maybe you are right. Maybe only transporting drunk passnegers in the backseat may be a good idea.

Another way to look at is, it is perfectly legal for a 19 year old to have one drink, then go drive, but if they brought the empty with them in the cab, they could be charged with open container.
But if they throw the container away, the cops can't charge the person with anything, cuz obviosly they won't blow over after one beer!

It is NOT legal for a 19 year old to have 1 drink. If they brought it with them then it is 1) possession of a malt beverage by a person under 21, 2) Driving after consuming, 3) Open container, 4) Littering.

If they decide not to blow then it is an automatic revocation of their license for no less than 1 year here. Becareful of what you advise people they should do to sidestep the law. In America you have the Constitutional right to refuse, but understand the reprocussions of your actions.

All this law does is encourage people to throw there empty out the window!

Does the alcohol in their system go as well? You can throw empties out until the cows come home, but if alcohol is still in your system then you really haven't accomplished anything. But a nice idea in theory.


There are way too many stupid laws. I still think the cops should just have been glad the driver was sober, And let them go. Screw the other laws, they are all stupid money grab laws, that are no danger to anyone.

I was glad the driver was sober. From what you are saying is that if a person shoots you and you live is that you should be glad they didn't kill you and let them go. :yikes: What you see as "stupid money grab laws" I see as the law having to step in because you are not responsible to ensure the safety of the public. I don't mind people drinking if they can behave themself and keep everyone around them safe.

I also think alot of speed limits are so low, just so the gov't can get more money from fines, so i would have trouble giving speeding tickets, when i can see the person was driving fine, nomatter what the speed was

Here is a thought if you do not want to give the Government anymore money, DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT. The Gov't can't get more money from you if you obey the law. Pretty weird, huh.

Now don't think i mean drunk driving is ok, i never said anything like that, I'm just saying i don't see why it is illegal when a passsnger is drinking in a vehicle

Here is why I am glad that it is a law. It takes out the opportunity for the driver to consume while driving. If no one is allowed to consume while driving then it relieves the driver from the chance of having to many while trying to drive. Makes sense to me. :D

[Bikerboy]

Whether you think it is important or not boggles my mind. Say you are driving down a 2 lane road and a drunk passenger decided to "sleep it off" in the car. On the way to the back seat the said passenger nudges the steering wheel and the car hits you head on. You would be singing a different tune then.

This could also happen when driving home from a party or a bar.


If they decide not to blow then it is an automatic revocation of their license for no less than 1 year here. Becareful of what you advise people they should do to sidestep the law. In America you have the Constitutional right to refuse, but understand the reprocussions of your actions.

I just meant a 21 year old wouldn't blow over the legal limit after 1 beer,so why would they refuse? We have the same law here, if you refuse to blow, automatic 1 year suspension.
I even had to blow once. I only had 1 beer a few hours earlier. cops stoped me for no reason, i told them i had one beer. Then they made me wait like a half hour for another car to bring the stupid breath machine. This whole time i told them i only had one. Then i blew in the dumb thing, i blew a zero!
The cops acted like they were suprised! What a bunch of A holes. I was just minding my own business, and these idiots come along and harass a trucker like me with a perfect record of drunk driving! I was mad, wasted like 45 minutes of my time, and i wasn't even doing anything wrong!

I have been stopped soo many times now for suspected drunk driving, that why is hate when cops do it anymore. I was stoped at least 6 times this year, by cops, hoping i was drunk, and of course i wasn't!
Just because i drive a 4x4 pickup, all the cops assume I'm drunk!

Does the alcohol in their system go as well? You can throw empties out until the cows come home, but if alcohol is still in your system then you really haven't accomplished anything. But a nice idea in theory.

Ok say the driver was over 21 and only had 1 beer, he wouln't blow over the limit. So if you stopped him and couldn't find any emptys, what could you charge him with?

IF you found his empty i know you guys would want to charge him with open container. Even though he is still legal to drive.



Here is a thought if you do not want to give the Government anymore money, DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT. The Gov't can't get more money from you if you obey the law. Pretty weird, huh.

Why should everyone have to drive slow, just because the gov't wants more money, they know the limits are toooo slow, and know they can catch more speeders with a low speed limit. Why else are some states 55 mph for trucks and other are 75? The 55 mph states know they can catch trucks for speeding and steal there money. I bet there are alot less speeding trucks caught in a 75 mph state than in a 55 mph!

Because 75 is a reasonable speed! 55 is not!



Here is why I am glad that it is a law. It takes out the opportunity for the driver to consume while driving. If no one is allowed to consume while driving then it relieves the driver from the chance of having to many while trying to drive. Makes sense to me. :D

I don't see any more temptatin for the driver to drink in the vehicle , than there would be to drink at a party or bar.
If someone wants to get drunk and drive, they will do it.

Same with someone like me who wants to be sober. Doesn't matter where i am or who else is drinking, i will never drive drunk. I just love trucking too much to lose it!

[hellcat_99]

BB, I sure hope you mind changes once you have children. We all thought this way when we were your age, but the difference now is, we are parents, & our children are driving on the same rds as the drunks are.
Everyone tells a cop, I've only had 1 beer.
That's all it takes.
Holly

[Crystal Pistol]

BB:
Maybe is should also be illegal to have a drunk passenger in the car! LOL
Here, we call that a "drunk in public", it is a violation, it is arrestable, it usually involves a free breakfast.

BB:
Another way to look at is, it is perfectly legal for a 19 year old to have one drink, then go drive,
Nope, not here ... one is not allowed to even "possess" (let alone "consume") an alcoholic beverage until they have reached their 21st birthday. Driving after having consumed any alcohol under the age of 21 is another violation, if up to a 0.04 BAC, it's the "baby DUI" as we like to call it.

BB:
I don't think i could ever be a cop, i wouldn't be able to enforce all these laws ...
I think we can find some common ground here!

BB:
I know that! but still, why do the cops even bother harassing underage anymore, they will never stop it. Even george bushs daughters got caught for it!
Theres alot more important stuff, like thefts and murders than harassing underage drinkers!
Well, until them more serious violators start putting signs on the door letting us know it's them, I guess we'll have to continue looking for them along with the underage drinkers and speeders and domestic terrorist ...
... "just one stop at a time".

BB:
I have been stopped soo many times now for suspected drunk driving, that why is hate when cops do it anymore. I was stoped at least 6 times this year, by cops, hoping i was drunk, and of course i wasn't!
Just because i drive a 4x4 pickup, all the cops assume I'm drunk!
Most cops also own 4x4 vehicles, perhaps (please just play along here a moment) it's your "not too well developed" driving skills that are the basis for all these stops where cops think you're drunk when you aren't really drunk. I mean ... dude ... maybe you just drive like a drunk?


Just speculating here ....... that's all. :type:

[Bikerboy]

I doubt i drive like a drunk, since i have never had a ticket or accident or drove in ditch in 4 years of driving.Some drunks drive cautiosly, so if thats what your saying, then yes i do drive like a cautious drunk!

Sometimes i will purposely drive slow or something, just to the harass the cops back. LOL

They wanna waste my time, i will waste their time right back! Who knows how many real drunks are getting away then.

[USAF_2T2]

I doubt i drive like a drunk, since i have never had a ticket or accident or drove in ditch in 4 years of driving.

Well, obviously some others think you do as you have been pulled over for it before. Maybe you need to slow down as you admit that the speed limits are to low. I take that as you drive recklessly if you have been pulled over for suspicious DWI and like to speed.

Sometimes i will purposely drive slow or something, just to the harass the cops back. LOL

Now that is a great idea. :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Don't come to me when they pull you over for "nothing."




Now we need to keep on the topic at hand here, and that is UNDERAGE drinking. While I don't condone drinking and driving at all, we are talking about underage drivers here. Let's keep that going as that is what we are discussing. If you want to talk about drinking and driving for those over 21 then by all means start another thread on that and I will contribute if you want.

[lonewolf]

USAF,i applaud you for doing the right thing,i just wish these tougher laws had been in place when i was younger,hell.i've been buying beer since i was 15 and buying harder liquor since i was 16,it was way too easy to buy underage back then,this was back before they raised the mandatory drinking age to 21

[Bikerboy]

Wll i don't know what else to say about underage drinking other than what i have said.
But i do think the law of being 21 is way too high. 18 would make more sense. When your 18, you can vote and go join the military or whatever, and you are legally an adult .

So the law says you are an adult once you are 18, so why can't you drink at age 18?

The gov't is saying, a 18 year old kid is smart enough to go fight and kill people and shoot guns in war, but they are not smart enough to handle a beer???? makes no sense whatsoever, maybe they should raise the age to join the military and voting and driving to 21 also. Then all the young people would have to live at home until they are 21.

Maybe they could even make it illegal to have sex or get pregnant until you are 21, all these young unwed mothers are also a problem to society.


Maybe they could even make it illegal to be on the streets alone until you are 21.

Since the gov't is soo concerned about keeping young people safe, make them stay and home or go out with there parents until there 21! LOL

Also most states let someone drive at age 16, now what is more dangerous, driving a car, or having a beer??? i think the car is alot more dangerous!

Thank god i love in ontario where once you turn 19, you can do anything any other adult can do. None of this age 21 BS!

I don't even know why the drinking age in ontario is 19, it should be 18, alot of other provinces are 18 for drinking and smoking, but ontario wanted to be A holes and make it 19 just to piss all the youngster's off!

[Foxfire]

OK BB you have had your say now I will have mine. Personally I think they should outlaw alcohol altogether until such time as a person has proven themselves to be mature enough to have a couple of drinks and stop. Under no circumstances should they be allowed to operate ANY motor vehicle if they have had even one beer! If you have a DD then that person is responsible for seeing to it that there are no open or otherwise alcoholic containers in the vehicle. I've been a DD more times than I care to remember.
If you had lived the life I did and watched alcohol ruin every thing you ever had more times than one, you would have a different opinion. Yes, a drink or two can relax a person and life gets a bit easier to handle. But drinking and driving do NOT mix in any way!
At the age of 19 I became an alcoholic. I offer no excuses. But I also realized I was only killing myself so I quit. It wasn't easy and today I can only have a few drinks socially. when it starts to tasting good is when I make myself put it down.
When my children asked me about beer and booze I got it and they drank it under my supervision and in my home. None of them drink today.
I don't think anyone under the drinking age should have access to alcohol when they are out with their friends.
There are laws and we have to abide by them. We elected the people that made the laws.

[Deputy Dogg]

Well in my experiences some people who are 35 and older can't handle what they drink! It doesn't matter what age you are drinking and driving should NOT BE TOLERATED. I have be touched by this personaly losing my younger brother at 16 y/o when he was DUI and hit a tree killing himself and his 15 y/o girlfriend. As a LEO who works the "A" shift ( 10pm to 6am) I get about 6 to 8 DUI stops/arrests a month and being a K-9 Officer I don't have a lot of time for road patrol ! I have arrested a Judge a local Fire Chief ( in his Fire Dept. Car) and a couple of LEO's ZERO TOLERANCE thats our dept. policy and my personal policy, if it can save one life its worth it. Ok I am off my soapbox.

[Admin]

IT MAKES NO SENSE DO ME EITHER, YOU ARE TO YOUNG TO DRINK A BEER BUT YOU ARE NOT TO YOUNG TO GET SHOT IN IRAC :wtf:

DRINKING AND DRIVING , NO.

BUT OTHERWISE THE GOVERNMENT TALKS WAY TO MUCH IN OUR PRIVAT LIFE. :cheers:
THE NEXT LAW WILL TELL YOU NO COFFEE BECAUSE OF THE CAFFEINE. :yikes:

LET THE PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO AS LONG THEY HARM NOBODY.
WE SUPPOSED TO BE A FREE COUNTRY??? :rofl:

[Uturn2001]

At one time some states allowed those with a valid military ID to purchase and consume alcohol even if they were underage for the state law. I personally wish states would resume this practice.

If someone is old enough to go out and risk their lives in the service of their country then they should be considered old enough to have a beer or something while they are off duty from that service.

[Uturn2001]

As a final note in regards to law enforcer types and the laws they enforce.

If I disagree with a law the person to take it up with works in the state of national capitol, not in a patrol car.

So long as a LEO enforces laws fairly and in a professional manner I do not have an issue with them.

[hellcat_99]

That's the problem Admin., someone always gets hurt by a drunk driver. Why in todays world when it's all over the news nearly every day. The newest victim of a drunk driver.
If you want to party, stay @ home, or cab it. It's so much cheaper then going out. Just don't invite the neighbourhood & offer to cook. :noclue:

Holly

[DrivingZiggy]

Wow. How quickly can a safety topic addressing a seriously illegal and life-threatening topic become a libertarian's political topic with a simple side-step?

The law is the law, whether the officers enforcing it agree with it, or if those breaking it agree with it.
It is the law and it has to be enforced.

Without rules and laws there is chaos.

It's rather simple.

[Bikerboy]

Wow. How quickly can a safety topic addressing a seriously illegal and life-threatening topic become a libertarian's political topic with a simple side-step?

How is a underage drinking passenger , "seriously illegal and life threatening"??

The origanal post said nothing about drunk driving, because no one was driving drunk!!

A underage passenger was drinking, and i still don't understand why it is illegal.

[newbie2828]

this post just reminds me of the song---ALCOHOL BY BRAD PAISLEY.GREAT SONG.

[Magnolia]

this post just reminds me of the song---ALCOHOL BY BRAD PAISLEY.GREAT SONG.


Good song, and good point!

[newbie2828]

that song is so true its not even funny.just kinda shows alcohol can make some people do almost anything.

[Magnolia]

Yes it is , I went and found the words to it and boy does it hit home.



Written by Brad Paisley.
(© EMI April Music / Sea Gayle Music LLC.)
Single release, © 2005, Arista Nashville

I can make anybody pretty.
I can make you believe any lie.
I can make you pick a fight with somebody twice your size.
Well, I’ve been known to cause a few break-ups,
An' I’ve been known to cause a few births.
Well, I can make you new friends, or get you fired from work.

And since the day I left Milwaukee,
Lynchburg an' Bordeaux, France,
Been making the bars lots of big money,
An' helpin' white people dance.
I got you in trouble in High School,
But College, now that was a ball.
You had some of the best times you’ll never remember with me:
Alcohol; Alcohol.

I got blamed at your wedding reception,
For your best man’s embarrassing speech.
And also for those naked pictures of you at the beach.
I’ve influenced Kings and world leaders,
I helped Hemingway write like he did.
And I’ll bet you a drink or two, that I can make you put that lampshade on your head.

‘Cause since the day I left Milwaukee,
Lynchburg and Bordeaux, France,
I been making a fool out of folks just like you,
An' helping white people dance.
I am medicine and I am poison,
I can help you up or make you fall.
You had some of the best times you’ll never remember with me:
Alcohol.

Yeah, since the day I left Milwaukee,
Lynchburg an' Bordeaux, France,
Been making the bars lots of big money,
(Helpin' white people dance.)
Yeah, I got you in trouble in High School,
But College, now that was a ball.
You had some of the best times you’ll never remember with me:
Alcohol; Alcohol.

(Alcohol.)
(Alcohol.)
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na.

To Fade.

http://www.top20countrylyrics.coquet-shack.com/lyrics/Paisley_Brad/Alcohol_50093.php

[DrivingZiggy]

How is a underage drinking passenger , "seriously illegal and life threatening"??

The origanal post said nothing about drunk driving, because no one was driving drunk!!

A underage passenger was drinking, and i still don't understand why it is illegal.You even use the word "underage" in your post asking why it's illegal. Isn't that self-explanatory? If you're underage and you're drinking, it's illegal. Okay, I added "seriously". I guess it's either illegal or it's not. But seriously, it's illegal for the underage asshat to be drinking.

Life threatening? The first thing that alcohol affects is judgement. As if teenagers don't have poor enough judgement already, the imbibing of alcohol can double the poor judgement into silly acts that are life threatening. Should the person live long enough, they may contract cirhosis of the liver, which can be fatal.

[Crystal Pistol]

BikerBoy:
A underage passenger was drinking, and i still don't understand why it is illegal.

Why anything is illegal is simple BB.

We have representatives elected to state and federal legislative bodies, those representatives like to be elected again in future elections (because it's a "pretty good gig" I guess), so they listen to what the majority of the few constituents (voters who voted them in the first place) who take time (if it's a particularly well publisized issue, maybe more will take time to make the contact) to contact them ... tell them.

If they vote on issues in a manner most likely to please the majority of voters who vote for them, they stand a better chance of re-election, and conversly, if they vote as they personally wish and disreguard the wishes of the voters, they stand a better chance of looking for another job come next election.

Appearantly, people in general, or in enough quantities that care, have let legislators across the land know that they want their youngsters to be prohibited from alcohol consumption, or whatever law it is that you question.

If you don't agree with the law, chances are there are at least a couple other people like yourself, and maybe y'all should get together and start a move towards repeal of the laws you don't agree with? Legislators take input via phone calls, letters, e-mails, polls, and personal contact like at meetings, etc ...

That is a short explanation BB.

[Bikerboy]

Ok i should do that

**

[hellcat_99]

We should also remember what we were like @ that age. I know I was out living on my own since I was 15. Life was a big party then. We used to be out driving around crop dusting, while drinking in the car. We never let a driver drink while driving, but the rest of us were. Those were the days when the REAL beetle was great. Try to squeeze as many as you could & off we went. That night there were 6 of us. All it took was a play fight in the back set.
2 dead, 2 severly injured, 2 just injured.

All I can say, is I'm so thankful that we were in a field, not out on the rd. This still wasn't legal, but @ least we didn't hurt anyone. Yes most of us were underage.

I sure grew up fast that night.

Holly

[saddletramp]

I just had my 17 year old son Casey read all this thread. He was pretty bored with it till he read your post Holly. He just said "That is horrible, I would never want to have that happen to me or my freinds". I said that he should get on here and reread all this post whenever he feels the need to go out on a limb and try to beat the system.
He is 10 feet tall and bullet proof right now, but sometimes stuff like this will get him to thinking about the ramifications of his actions.

I hope it will for you too Bikerboy. Just remember, many othere felt the way you do and challenged the system years before. Didn't work then, and it won't work now,

Thank God!

[Big_Dave]

He is 10 feet tall and bullet proof right now
Ahhh....I remember those days of my past.

When I was young I used to drive after drinking. Put my 76 Blazer in the ditch a few times.....narrowly missing a telephone pole one time.....scraped a pole for a billboard another time......took the door handle off the passenger door on a 'S'- curve sign........scared the hell outta my g/f (now wife) once when I went off a curve into a field at 70 mph....... :wow:

I've since grown up enough to know that drinking and driving don't mix.

There's a time and a place for everything. Alcohol and vehicles are not the place or time.

[hellcat_99]

Thankx ST.
Not to many people know about this, but not a day passes that I don't think about it. There are only 2 of us left. The other 2 passed on with lifes tricks. My friend & I get together when ever we can, but it's either @ her place or mine.

The bottom line is, NEVER HAVE ALCHOL int the car, unless you are transpoeting it to the place you will be staying @ to party.

Holly

[Bikerboy]

I think the biggest detterent for me, to not drink and drive or drink in vehicles, is because I am a truck driver. If i wasn't a truck driver, then i would probably be like any other young person, who doesn't care about their driving record.

The only reason i don't do illegal stuff, is because i love trucking soo much.

Trucking was my biggest motivation to be a safe driver.

So i think young guys 18-30 with a AZ licence, are the safest young drivers on the road. I know it makes me alot safer driver.

I think we should get a discount on personal insurance, since i think that young AZ drivers would be involved in alot less crashes or tickets in their personal vehicle, since they have alot more driving experience, than your average young driver.

Out of all my friends , I don't know of anyone else , who has no tickets, no accidents, and never drove in ditch in winter.
And i think having my truck licence, and all the experience i get trucking is the main reason for my clean record.

[USAF_2T2]

You can't be serious can you.

And i think having my truck licence, and all the experience i get trucking is the main reason for my clean record.

But just go up a little more and you say this.

IF i wasn't a driver, who knows how many tickets i would have by now.

You gotta be kidding me right? The primary reason you don't drive like a retard is because of your trucking experience?


If i wasn't a truck driver, then i would probably be like any other young person, who doesn't care about their driving record.

You seem to me to care more about your record then about safety. What I am getting from what you posted is that you are only safe because you drive a truck. Here is a thought BE SAFE BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. You aren't the only one on the highways and you need to respect those that are with you when you make decisions. Don't look at it as what will happen to your record, but as what is safe for me and the other motoring public.

[Bikerboy]

A clean record and safety are the same thing.
clean record=safe driver
....or that is the way the insurance companys think.

Some things that are illegal,like say running 70 mph in a 55 mph zone way out in the country, i don't see as a safety issue, but for some reason they are illegal, so i must obey them to keep a clean record.
So in that case i do care more about my record than about safety.

Sometimes laws have nothing to do with safety, and more to do with gov't collecting money. Like why in some states is it ok for cars to drive 70 mph, but trucks can only go 55? Why not just enforce a law about following too close, and as long as trucks are not following to close, let them run 70 mph too.
Because i know, you will say the reason for the 55 limit, is for trucks to get stopped in time. But if they had left enough room in front of them, they wouldn't have that problem.

We have some places in canada, where trucks can run 65-70 mph, in ontario the limit is always 62 mph for all vehicles on the 400 series highways,we haul alot more weight here, sometimes grossing 140 000 lbs, and we don't have much trouble getting stopped in time. So i don't really beleive that trucks going 70 mph is really a safety issuse, i believe they only do it because they know trucks will speed, and are easy money to ticket for it.

[saddletramp]

The one good thing about all of this is the fact you are young and have time to hopefully get it figured out about what is really right and wrong; that being a responsible person behind the wheel doesn't make you "uncool" or a dork. The day you may save a life because you used your head you will begin to understand what all of us "ol farts" have been trying to get across to you. ;)

[hellcat_99]

I can't believe that this post is still going. We are all starting to run into each other saying the same things over & over.
BB, it's too easy. Pick your battles. Fight only what you know you will win.
You aren't going to change any laws, so get over it. Life is far to short to sit & stew over things you have no control over.
Go back & read the post I made about the car accident I was in. Stop & think for 1 min.

DON"T DRINK & DRIVE> NO ONE IN THE CAR MAY DRINK ALCOHOL

See how easy it is?

Holly