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Lars
December 27th, 2005, 17:01
I came across this essay at the Op-Ed pages of the Wall Street Journal and it is very interesting, not to mention accurate. I frequently see many posters claiming to be "conservatives", but in reality, they are not.

You can read the essay here (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113564361018331773.html)

At least I hope you can. I subscribe to the WSJ.

Here are some excerpts:

Free-market economics. American conservatism emerged during a period when socialism in various forms had become a tacit orthodoxy. The thought of Friedrich Hayek, Ludwig von Mises and Milton Friedman informed its understanding of economic questions. At length, the free market triumphed through much of the world, and today there are very few socialists in major university economics departments, an almost total transformation since 1953. But the utopian temptation can turn such free-market thought into a utopianism of its own -- that is, free markets to be effected even while excluding every other value and purpose …


The word "unbought" should be pondered. Beauty has been clamorously present in the American Conservative Mind through its almost total absence. The tradition of regard for woodland and wildlife was present from the beginnings of the nation and continued through conservative exemplars such as the Republican Theodore Roosevelt, who established the National Parks. Embarrassingly for conservatives (at least one hopes it is embarrassing), stewardship of the environment is now left mostly to liberal Democrats.


Abortion. This has been a focus of conservative, and national, attention since Roe v. Wade. Yet abortion as an issue, its availability indeed as a widespread demand, did not arrive from nowhere. Burke had a sense of the great power and complexity of forces driving important social processes and changes. Nevertheless, most conservatives defend the "right to life," even of a single-cell embryo, and call for a total ban on abortion. To put it flatly, this is not going to happen. Too many powerful social forces are aligned against it, and it is therefore a utopian notion.

Roe relocated decision-making about abortion from state governments to the individual woman, and was thus a libertarian, not a liberal, ruling. Planned Parenthood v. Casey supported Roe, but gave it a social dimension, making the woman's choice a derivative of the women's revolution. This has been the result of many accumulating social facts, and its results already have been largely assimilated. Roe reflected, and reflects, a relentlessly changing social actuality. Simply to pull an abstract "right to life" out of the Declaration of Independence is not conservative but Jacobinical. To be sure, the Roe decision was certainly an example of judicial overreach. Combined with Casey, however, it did address the reality of the American social process.

As the author, Jeffery Hart, explains: A lot of what is called conservatism and Republicanism today is just yahoosim and I could not agree more.

Flying Dutchman
December 31st, 2005, 20:59
You may have a point, Lars, about who (or what) constitutes a 'conservative' these days. The lines have become quite blurry lately, sir. I know there are more than just a few Democrats who are staunch supporters of the Second Amendment, capital punishment and tax cuts.....while many of their GOP counterparts spend money like Ted Kennedy's bar tab at happy hour, while seeking ways of convincing us that "someone else" will foot the bill.

Just know that conservative and Republican used to mean the same thing - but that certainly has changed. But then again, we've been through this before at "that other place" with a political forum.

Anyway, I wish everyone a very Happy New Year for 2006! Keep the beer in your glass an the bugs off your a$$.
:cheers:

Lars
January 1st, 2006, 10:54
I know for certain that if you support GWB's policies, especially his fiscal ones, you are not a conservative. If you claim to be, you are at best misguided, but usually dishonest.

There are some conservative polices that I have no problem with. I firmly believe that the government should not spend money that it does not have and borrowing should be a last resort.

I also firmly believe that the government should be minimally involved in the daily lives of the citizenry and that includes the bedroom, the doctor's office and business in general.

To me, you can't demand that the government leaves you alone as much as possible and at the same time the same government should decide whether a woman has an abortion. Abortion may be morally indefensible, but it still should not be a government concern.

I also agree with the real conservatives that US imperialism should be avoided. I have no problem with the US maintaining a substantial Navy and Air Force capability with global reach, but the Army should be based domestically as much as possible and the Reserves and the National Guard should be what they are designed to be, which is a substantial back up to the regular armed forces.

One area where I agree with conservatism is in the matter of natural resources and I think those who claim to be conservative are failing miserably in this endeavour. One of the most important choices we need to make has to do with energy.

As I see it, there are two choices: Either stop importing energy from the rest of the world, except Mexico and Canada and as the cost rises, use that market condition to create new resources domestically. Or, import the cheapest commodities until they run out and then have the domestic resources left.

I suspect that the first option is the best one in the long run. I am sure it would be a lot healthier too for many to use bicycles for short trips and an efficient public transportation industry has all kinds of strategic advantages.

There is one area where I would support government intervention to a degree and that is in health care. Only because the current system is woefully inadequate, costly and inefficient. All the government has to do in this arena is to set standards and make health insurance mandatory and then let private industry compete on pricing alone. But something has to be done, because the current system is a disgrace.

There are other aspects of conservatism that I support, but that will be for another post.

Flying Dutchman
January 1st, 2006, 12:17
60% dittos on that last post, Lars!

Nice to see that you actually understand the difference between fiscal conservatives and the "other" types who are out there. Funny, though, as many who claim to favor lower taxes and less government involvement in personal lives advocate just the opposite when they vote!

We right-wingers ain't all hypocrites, you know.
:harhar:


Flying Dutchman; can still be found at that 'other' place
:fishing:

Mark-the-Spark
January 1st, 2006, 16:04
FD, before I delve into the labrynith of political nuances, I have one question:

Is it true that after a time, pets begin to resemble their owners? :rofl:

____________________
Mark; j/k of course ;)

Flying Dutchman
January 1st, 2006, 16:11
I don't know about that, Mark......but the fat cat shown is not mine. I just have two dogs and two frogs, but my girlfriend does indeed have a cat that somewhat resembles the one pictured in my post.

Her cat is much "friendlier" looking, although he is quite a few pounds overweight. He does not have that "Are you talkin' to me?" look on his face. Same build, but a much friendlier attitude!


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/FlyingDutchman112/5ed3db1c.jpg

trashwagon
January 13th, 2006, 01:11
I know for certain that if you support GWB's policies, especially his fiscal ones, you are not a conservative. If you claim to be, you are at best misguided, but usually dishonest.

There are some conservative polices that I have no problem with. I firmly believe that the government should not spend money that it does not have and borrowing should be a last resort.

I also firmly believe that the government should be minimally involved in the daily lives of the citizenry and that includes the bedroom, the doctor's office and business in general.

To me, you can't demand that the government leaves you alone as much as possible and at the same time the same government should decide whether a woman has an abortion. Abortion may be morally indefensible, but it still should not be a government concern.

I also agree with the real conservatives that US imperialism should be avoided. I have no problem with the US maintaining a substantial Navy and Air Force capability with global reach, but the Army should be based domestically as much as possible and the Reserves and the National Guard should be what they are designed to be, which is a substantial back up to the regular armed forces.

One area where I agree with conservatism is in the matter of natural resources and I think those who claim to be conservative are failing miserably in this endeavour. One of the most important choices we need to make has to do with energy.

As I see it, there are two choices: Either stop importing energy from the rest of the world, except Mexico and Canada and as the cost rises, use that market condition to create new resources domestically. Or, import the cheapest commodities until they run out and then have the domestic resources left.

I suspect that the first option is the best one in the long run. I am sure it would be a lot healthier too for many to use bicycles for short trips and an efficient public transportation industry has all kinds of strategic advantages.

There is one area where I would support government intervention to a degree and that is in health care. Only because the current system is woefully inadequate, costly and inefficient. All the government has to do in this arena is to set standards and make health insurance mandatory and then let private industry compete on pricing alone. But something has to be done, because the current system is a disgrace.

There are other aspects of conservatism that I support, but that will be for another post.


Man this is really getting scary, I think I'm a Conservative Democrat, OMG!!!. Lars stop it, will ya? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

But I'm sorry I can't support Hillary!
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