Radar detector...anyone admit to carrying one?

[Gator]

Just wondering if anyone else has one in thier truck,who would admit to such a law breaking thing.If so which one do you have?

I had a Bel980 for years,until it was no good a while back,but it saved me many times.

I just received my new Bel STi Driver detector,which is supposed to be invisible to all radar detector detectors currently used in the US,including VG-2 and Spectre.Some states are so caught up on capturing real criminals that they have the time to specifically target truckers who carry radar detectors,OK&TX are both really doing this alot lately.

[towstrap]

I did when I ran the road and just before I came off the road for a dedicate dlinehaul run it got yanked. I was heading across 460 towards Blackburg, Va. all by my loansome just a mindin my own when outa the wood work comes this nasty looking set of blue lights. :yikes:

The 'ol boy just didn't find it very humorous that I was speeding on HIS roadway. I said man, no offense but it is 0300 and I was the only one out here til you showed your ugly face. :angry: , Not a good move.

He quickly noticed I had something next to my CB on the dash and offered to take it off my hands since it was illegal in his state. I obliged and he returned with a warning vs. a large outa pocket expense for speeding and having a radar detector.

I was a little upset at first, til I realized the fella just really saved my azz a bunch of money. I bet he has a bunch of those pesky little detection devises. ;)

That was a little over a year ago and I stil do not have a new one. No need for it.

[Gator]

I wonder how many cops,make a little extra cash with possibly selling radar detectors on E bay or elsewhere.

I don't go into Va. lately and not for a while now,but I bet there are a few cops making some money on the side in that sorry state.Don't they have some of the highest fines for detectors,seems like I heard over a $1000 in a truck up yonder.

My wife recently got her first speeding ticket in a big truck(mm7 I20 TX late at night 77 in a 65),she's been driving for right at 10 years now,has only had one warning that I can recall too,but,its getting over $500 now,with an attorney,to keep it off her record,I had been considering another detector for some time now,between her ticket and this new model from Bel,I figured it was about time for another.

[Timothy J. Begle]

I admit to not having one.



:D

[PartTimeDweller]

I got the same kind Begle has. He highly recommended it. I think it works great. :cool:

[Capt._Chaos]

In Indiana & some other states, if I heard right, it's considered a felony if you get caught with a radar detector in a commercial vehicle. Someone please corrrect me if I'm wrong.

Even when I owned my truck, I never used one in it (even though I had the temptation to do so on several occasions ;) ).

I do admit to using one- in my PERSONAL vehicles. :p

[SteelCityNomad]

I got the same kind Begle has. He highly recommended it. I think it works great. :cool:

I think TimmyJoe got stock in that company because he talked me into getting one from them too.

:rofl: :rofl:

[Big_Dave]

Had radar detectors in my pickups, but never in the big truck.

I did get nailed for having a scanner in my truck once though. :wtf: The fine was just shy of $300. :wow: I guess being able to listen to weather and plow trucks to determine if the roads are safe to run (not too icy or closed), made me a criminal. :wtf:

The scanner was a BCT-7. That model has an 'alert' feature that beeps when an officer transmits within 3 miles of you. The TX DPS radar detector detectors 'picked it up' when I rolled into the scale s/b on I-45 once. He searched my truck from top to bottom insisting that I had a radar detector. :wacko:

[Dave Sweetman]

Maybe it's just me, but ever since the Gubment outlawed radar detectors, I haven't had the urge to use one. Now granted, it took some getting used to at first, but it had a reverse effect. No bird dog, no speeding...well...pretty much, anyway.

I used to spend a small fortune keeping up with all the latest technology [more money] in the 70's and 80's and had to have the latest: Fuzzbuster, Fuzzbuster II, Escort, Valentine, upgraded Valentine, yada yada yada...

Seemed like every time I'd get a new unit, the mfr's would come out with a new police band: K, Ka, X, Stealth, Kustom Stealth...all the stuff that was one click away from me losing my license [many moons ago]. Finally, it dawned on me, for all the bird dogs, jammers [that didn't work], all the techno gizmos,,, shoot, it was better to just do the speed limit [or something that resembled it], as the amount of time I would gain by driving fast was almost exactly the amout of time I could spend on the side of the road with an LEO.

And that's not to mention the states that use VASCAR and airplanes and cloaked construction vehicles and cops on lawn tractors [Maryland] toting CMI handguns.

Usually it meant that by the time your dog barked, you had just enough time to hit the shoulder and get out your driver's license...'cause you been had.

About 4 years ago, I discovered the best anti-speeding ticket device there is: XM Satellite Radio. Turn it on, lock in my cruise control and turn off the 2 way.

just my humble .2 cents

[Flying Dutchman]

An officer in VA should not confiscate your detector anymore the way they used to - at least if you are in a four-wheeler. Don't know about having one in a CMV, though. You should get a non-point ticket (like an equipment violation) and be on your way after the officer records the model, serial number, etc., etc.

To many, the risk of a non-point fine outweighs the chance of getting zapped with a moving violation. I dunno. As we all know, there are other ways to catch speeders besides radar guns. A Valentine One will not do squat against VASCAR, E.S.P., VisiCalc or a helicopter timing you with a simple stopwatch.




Seemed like every time I'd get a new unit, the mfr's would come out with a new police band: K, Ka, X, Stealth, Kustom Stealth...all the stuff that was one click away from me losing my license [many moons ago]. Finally, it dawned on me, for all the bird dogs, jammers [that didn't work], all the techno gizmos,,, shoot, it was better to just do the speed limit [or something that resembled it], as the amount of time I would gain by driving fast was almost exactly the amout of time I could spend on the side of the road with an LEO.


How much you wanna bet that some of the same companies are involved in feeding both sides of that 'war' in which you fought? X-Band, K-Band, Ka-Band, etc., etc., etc. -- it goes on and on and on.
:angry:

Flying Dutchman; saying goodnight

[Starrider]

I admit to throwing mine in the shed 6 yrs ago and not getting a speeding ticket since :yikes:

Got a good butt chewing once or twice since, but I find it amazing how I quit getting tickets AFTER I quit using a radar detector. :cheers:

[Gunsmoke]

escort here and will fudge on the old logbook too. clean record to.

[Uturn2001]

Never have felt the need to carry one in the truck. I just set the cruise to within 5 of the speed limit and relax and have a real good time counting how many times in 5 or 600 miles the same "fast" truck passes me.

[Gator]

Gunsmoke,you ole (edited),I know you may not fudge too much or even not at all nowadays on the ole logbook,hardly any need to with that home every weekend gig of yours :D

Actually i find that at around 5 over,I never get pulled over.But a couple of months ago when it was just barely dark I did get pulled over in Midland for 74 in a 65(I try to avoid 10 over ;) )and thankfully the officer gave me a warning.That particular day I had left home earlier in the day,I was tired and only 9 miles from where I was switching out with my wife,had the Xm on and the cruise off...just not paying enough attention to speed.Had no detector,cop made a flip to get me,most likely a detector would have saved me.Likewise on my wifes ticket in TX,cop made a flip.

I also do not think having a radar detector makes me speed even more,just another tool for the job.Even with the best detectors,theres always the shady cop hiding in the bushes with his lil radar gun,ready to zap someone,damn laser guns.

A few years before I started driving truck I was in a rental car going to my moms house in Ohio,I was running a bit late,trying to make dinner,running a bit over 90,with some radar detector,come around a bend and there ducked behind a hill was Smokey,he zapped me,pulled me over,there were two officers who came to the car,would not even cut me a break on Xmas eve,then proceeded to make fun of my radar detector and gave me a ticket...which actually wasn't very expensive and never showed up on my MVR in Ok.

[Crystal Pistol]

I wonder how many cops,make a little extra cash with possibly selling radar detectors on E bay or elsewhere.

I don't go into Va. lately and not for a while now,but I bet there are a few cops making some money on the side in that sorry state.Don't they have some of the highest fines for detectors,seems like I heard over a $1000 in a truck up yonder.

Some misinformation there.

The law was changed in 1976, and we haven't seized radar detectors since before July of 1976. Before that date, they were contraband, were seized, and were ordered destroyed by court order and it would have taken a complete idiot to ever run the risk of having one turn up anywhere that had been so ordered destroyed.
Sold ??? Didn't happen, just a popular myth that certain types like to foster.
There have been a few that were kept as evidence, but as per code, they are mailed COD back to the violator at an address specified by him/her at their expense when no longer needed for court. Failure to follow the law can easily result in an officer loosing his job. I'm saying that you have been listening to too many old farts war stories of a bygone era.

The fine is no secret either, it is the same in a truck, car, and on a motorcycle. It is prepayable at $40 fine plus court costs of $56 in any General District Court in Va. as this is written, and that is set out by the Va. State Supreme Court. A judge can go as high as $200 if it hasn't been prepaid. Anyone tells you different is halucinating.

[Gator]

That fine in Va. is reasonable,far more than what I would have guessed...and I think I'd prefer the fine for a detector and even losing it compared to the over $500 hassle we are paying to keep the wifes license clean,that also comes with the gamble that the ticket may not even go away and a 3-5 month wait between now and the attorney going in front of the appeals judge.

I pretty much assume there has to be a few bad apples in cop cars taking various evidence for thier own personal use or to be sold somewhere,specially with what some cops get paid for the job,though its very wrong,and probably an excellent reason why I would never make a good cop.

We spend too much time in TX and know several of the other teams working at the same company,a couple have been pulled over,they claimed for no other reason than the officer claimed he knew they had radar detectors,and the officers took thier detectors and gave them tickets,of course this is what they told me,often I think theres alot more to the story than what the person ticketed or arrested for something say to others after the fact.These officers in TX were the ones in black&white state trooper pickups,who's main job I believe is commercial vehicle enforcement,though I've seen them with cars too.

But between spending alot of time in TX after dark,where for some crazy reason the speed limit drops 10mph and alot of time in CA where cars can do 70mph and trucks for some crazy reason are only allowed to do 55mph...even in the middle of nowhere over a 100 miles from just about anything in a wide open desert,I like a little extra protection,I have not had a ticket in a big truck in almost 5 years now,a couple of warnings though :cool: and want to keep it that way,since I am a bit heavy with the foot at times.

[Jimbo]

I have no problem telling you I have one in the truck. By law, it has to be powered up for me to be breaking the law. I have a Uniden with VG-2 protection, so the good folks with their "detector detectors" can't see me. I have it built into the truck so that it can not be seen except from the driver's seat. Even then, you have to know where to look.

If some State Trooper has the right to light me up with a bunch of radar band radio waves, I have every right to know it's being done.

Besides, with the hand-held units like the Falcon, you aint gonna get a warning till the same exact time you get clocked.

Also, a PA. Trooper buddy of mine showed me one time how to tell if you have a detector in your truck. We were sitting in a rest area, shooting the bull, when I asked him if he had anything to detect a radar detector. He pointed the Falcon at a passing truck, and whacked him a couple times. Nothing happened. He says "no detector there". After a few more times, he finally lights up a passing truck, running all by himself, without any cars around him. Suddenly, his brake lights come on, lighting up the bottom of the whole trailer in a red glow.
"I'll bet you $1,000 he has a detector in that truck" he says.

So, if the trooper asks you if you have a detector in the truck, don't think he doesn't already know the answer.

[Gator]

The brake lights or even hitting the brakes hard are a common giveaway,my new detector,with its claims about being undetectable,also advises on not hitting the brakes so hard.

A few years ago in KS on US54 I was doing a little over 70 in a 65,just a bit west of Witchita,line of cars and a big ole RV coming right at me,detector goes nuts,I hit the brakes hard,see cop hiding behind RV,he pulls me over,KS statetrooper,gets my paper work,goes back to car,comes back,does roadside inspection,has me come back to his car,says he caught me at 72mph,but my inspection and log passed,he was giving me a warning,as he hands it to me he says,you hit the brakes hard when he zapped me,and asked if I had a detector,I said no way,heard someone on the CB say something about a bear,I think he pretty much knew I had one,but he seemed pretty cool and laid back for a statetrooper.

[mover man]

I got an escort, in the truck. I bought it last summer, when I had to sit for 4 days waiting for a load. Forgot to take it off dash when i went thru the N.M. POE. I got a big fat ticket, I put it in a cabinet and thats where it's been ever since.

[Crystal Pistol]

I have no problem telling you I have one in the truck. By law, it has to be powered up for me to be breaking the law. I have a Uniden with VG-2 protection, so the good folks with their "detector detectors" can't see me. I have it built into the truck so that it can not be seen except from the driver's seat. Even then, you have to know where to look.

If some State Trooper has the right to light me up with a bunch of radar band radio waves, I have every right to know it's being done.

Besides, with the hand-held units like the Falcon, you aint gonna get a warning till the same exact time you get clocked.

Also, a PA. Trooper buddy of mine showed me one time how to tell if you have a detector in your truck. We were sitting in a rest area, shooting the bull, when I asked him if he had anything to detect a radar detector. He pointed the Falcon at a passing truck, and whacked him a couple times. Nothing happened. He says "no detector there". After a few more times, he finally lights up a passing truck, running all by himself, without any cars around him. Suddenly, his brake lights come on, lighting up the bottom of the whole trailer in a red glow.
"I'll bet you $1,000 he has a detector in that truck" he says.

So, if the trooper asks you if you have a detector in the truck, don't think he doesn't already know the answer.

Maybe yes, maybe no.
§ 46.2-1079. Radar detectors; demerit points not to be awarded. (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1079)

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth when such vehicle is equipped with any device or mechanism, passive or active, to detect or purposefully interfere with or diminish the measurement capabilities of any radar, laser, or other device or mechanism employed by law-enforcement personnel to measure the speed of motor vehicles on the highways of the Commonwealth for law-enforcement purposes. It shall be unlawful to use any such device or mechanism on any such motor vehicle on the highways. It shall be unlawful to sell any such device or mechanism in the Commonwealth. However, provisions of this section shall not apply to any receiver of radio waves utilized for lawful purposes to receive any signal from a frequency lawfully licensed by any state or federal agency.

This section shall not be construed to authorize the forfeiture to the Commonwealth of any such device or mechanism. Any such device or mechanism may be taken by the arresting officer if needed as evidence, and, when no longer needed, shall be returned to the person charged with a violation of this section, or at that person's request, and his expense, mailed to an address specified by him. Any unclaimed devices may be destroyed on court order after six months have elapsed from the final date for filing an appeal.

Except as provided in subsection B of this section, the presence of any such prohibited device or mechanism in or on a motor vehicle on the highways of the Commonwealth shall constitute prima facie evidence of the violation of this section. The Commonwealth need not prove that the device or mechanism in question was in an operative condition or being operated.

B. A person shall not be guilty of a violation of this section when the device or mechanism in question, at the time of the alleged offense, had no power source and was not readily accessible for use by the driver or any passenger in the vehicle.

C. This section shall not apply to motor vehicles owned by the Commonwealth or any political subdivision thereof and used by law-enforcement officers in their official duties, nor to the sale of any such device or mechanism to law-enforcement agencies for use in their official duties.

D. No demerit points shall be awarded by the Commissioner for violations of this section. Any demerit points awarded by the Commissioner prior to July 1, 1992, for any violation of this section shall be rescinded and the driving record of any person awarded demerit points for a violation of this section shall be amended to reflect such rescission.

Hope it helps to explain my prior posting in this thread, and maybe to clear up some misconceptions. Later gang ..... :cheers:

[Flying Dutchman]

But, CP, do you confiscate it as 'evidence' until the trial? LEOs around here - from what I observed anyway - write down the make, model and serial number of the detector and then give it back to the violator. Maybe most judges in this area will let that suffice as evidence of possessing one. When I testified in court, I never saw a state trooper bring one in with him when charging someone with using or having one.

Of course, very few local police/sheriff units in this area are even equipped with a VG-2 to 'detect' a radar detector. So many people exceed the speed limit without a detector anyway, so looking for detection devices was never an issue to begin with. Most deputies in my department left their radar on all the time when in the 'moving' mode; and seldom used the "hold" button. Most drivers have no bones about driving 7 to 10 mph over the limit on almost any highway, and it is not hard to find folks going 12 to 15 mph over on limited-access roads. (Then again, look at how many places have the limit posted at 10 to 15 mph below the maximum safe speed.)
:wtf:

Check out the links below for some interesting and entertaining reading.


http://www.speedzones.com

http://www.valentineone.com


P.S. Did you ever bust anyone with a Valentine One? My brother's wife's dad has one (up in MD) and swears by it.
:fishing:

[Crystal Pistol]

FD, I have only ever taken them for evidence under certain circumstances.

A)... a radar is not available to test it, and so I keep it until I can test it and then mail it back, unless the violator wants to follow me to where I can test it. There was a time when this occurred frequent enough as we didn't have enough radars to go 'round and so they were all kept at the office which meant driving to the office at the beginning of the shift to get one, and then at the end to leave it there for the next shift. This is no longer an issue.

B)... a violator refuses my kindly worded request to produce it and I have to search the vehicle and find it myself. If I have to exercise that authority ("Carroll Doctrine"), then I am going to have the detector to show at court for evidence. He/she can have it back after all appeal dates have passed, as per code.

Otherwise, I simply check it on their car with the power source in their presence and I check it to see if it reacts to a radar (or to interfear if a jammer), note the model and serial number (if visable), and return it in the same shape which I received it.

G'night all .......... :ninja:

[Sleepyhead]

I've had radar detectors and Bear trackers in the pass. I don't use any of those devices at this time.

[LugNut]

I've had radar detectors and Bear trackers in the pass. I don't use any of those devices at this time.I had one in the past also. It was quite a few years ago. I was flying through some remote area of New Mexio with a flatbed and just as i turned a corner it went off. The cop after citing me for speeding commented on it because it was the new model at the time. I asked him if he wanted it but he said no. I gave it to my sister and haven't got another since then. I dont think I ever paid that ticket either,oh well

[Gator]

Alot of states use the VG2 technology for detecting radar detectors,and alot of radar detectors are made to be invisible to VG2,but the Spectre is not used near as much,but TX being one of the first to use that method,specifically targets truckers with it,there are other states too known to target trucks with Spectre,Oklahoma is also one.This new Bel STi is supposed to be invisible to Spectre and all other known detection devices at this time.

I haven't run with a detector in a while now,so tonight running across I20 in TX there were alot of cops out,seemed like an unusual amount,every darn one had thier radar on,most were going east or west,I like the added protection.In some areas of TX the cops seem to come out of the woodwork,immediately after it gets dark,I'm sure it has nothing to do with the speed limit dropping 10mph at that time.

[Crystal Pistol]

Alot of states use the VG2 technology for detecting radar detectors,and alot of radar detectors are made to be invisible to VG2,but the Spectre is not used near as much,but TX being one of the first to use that method,specifically targets truckers with it,there are other states too known to target trucks with Spectre,Oklahoma is also one.This new Bel STi is supposed to be invisible to Spectre and all other known detection devices at this time.

Not sure without looking it up, exactly what the "Spectre" does, but if it detects radar detectors, and as the states you mention have no state prohibition to the use of radar detectors in trucks or passenger vehicles, and as they only have a concern as a violation of federal motor carrier regulations ....
.... it stands to reason (to me anyway) that they only concern themselves with trucks and truck's operators ("truckers") when it comes to detectors.

BTW, I have detected quite a few as advertised and supposedly "VG-2 proof" detectors with ....

.... a VG-2. :rofl:



Guess they all ain't so dad-burn "VG-2 proof" after all? :cool:

[Gator]

I think there is a lot of false advertising in the radar detector market or the even more so flat out lie about the radar jammers.I've had real good luck with Bel,Bel and Escort are now the same company too.But then I also spent $300 on the first Bel and now $450,I've had very bad luck with some cheapy's in the past usually in the $100 or less range,made by companies like Cobra.

I think though that cops specifically targeting trucks in the pursuit of radar detectors is a bit overboard,but then again they are ilegal,and I reckon it gives them something to do,though I think thier time could be spent doing other things dealing with commercial trucks and safety.

[Gator]

Another thing,that sounds off,but seems to be the case with me,is that when I am using a detector,I seem not to drive as fast as when not using one...makes no sense.

Also I just like knowing where the cops are even when not speeding...seems odd too :D

[Peacekeeper]

Never have felt the need to carry one in the truck. I just set the cruise to within 5 of the speed limit and relax and have a real good time counting how many times in 5 or 600 miles the same "fast" truck passes me.

You work for Knight, you don't need one! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Peacekeeper

[Gator]

I did not know that Uturn worked fot Knight,your right he does not need one,I wonder what he uses to stay awake in that slow truck,Swift now runs faster :D

[Crystal Pistol]

I think though that cops specifically targeting trucks in the pursuit of radar detectors is a bit overboard,but then again they are ilegal,and I reckon it gives them something to do,though I think thier time could be spent doing other things dealing with commercial trucks and safety.

Well, it's kind of a means to diversify I suppose. Our local MC guy is a patrol trooper and some times he works a lot of radar looking at anything ... car, truck, mtr cycle, etc .... and then other times he devotes his time to motor carrier violations and inspections, and then he looks for a reason to stop trucks. He diversifies.

I spend some of my time between calls set up working radar, and then some times, I'll park slightly different so that I can more easily take notice of lighting, etc on the whiole truck as it passes, and I'll often be found then in areas where they are on a pull and going slower, where I can betterhear when no mufflers are present. There are times when you'll see me sitting , looking at traffic, and what I'm really doing is paperwork or maybe watching for a particular vehicle that fled a "gas drive off" or "road rage" or other incident, etc ... but never sleeping.

:)

[Farmer_Joe]

Ya know, it's pretty easy to follow the rules by maintaining the spd limit, keeping up with safeties on trk & trl, your paper work current, ect and have no worries from LEO's and then all this extra expenditure on useless toys trying to hide from or deceive them would be unnecessary.

IMO, LEO's don't target trks enough yet, there's still far too many immature retards still driving cmv's dangerously.

[Gator]

Your so funny farmer joe :rofl:

I just wish we could keep the Candian trucks off our highways,had one fly by me in AZ this morning like I was standing still,I was somewhat amazed to see a canuk doing such a thing,though he was sitting on the side of the road a few miles later with a blown trailer tire.Nothing worse than Canadian produce haulers that far south.


Lots of drivers have radar detectors and other little toys,I bet the Crete driver that wiped 7 people off this earth had no detector and probably drove for a company that meets your high standards joe.

[Farmer_Joe]

Considering your past record on here Gator of telling fairy tales and behaving like a village idiot - I really don't believe your story of the hotrod canuck produce hauler. But thanx for the laugh. ;)

[Jack5]

I've never had a use for one. Not even in my car. Usually as long as you're not driving erratically or drawing attention the chances of getting a ticket are pretty slim. Ive only had 2 in the last 5 years and got them both dismissed. I don't really think a radar detector would have made a difference in either case. Most speed limits are not always about safety anyway. They're just a revenue generator for the counties and courts.IF speeding was a serious safety issue anybody caught speeding would be put in prison. I wonder if all canadian drivers are anal about exactly doing the speed limit. Left lane hogging is much more of a problem than speeding is.

[Farmer_Joe]

No, there's plenty of fools who redline up here too, but 99% of the trks I see (including the americans) run the spd limit of 110 or a bit slower.

Left lane hogging is only a problem for immature retards who think rules are made to be broken.

[Jack5]

IF you're hogging the left lane you're already breaking one of the rules of the road. SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT. The left lane is only a passing lane,not a cruising one. I don't advocate driving too fast for conditions,such as snow or ice. IF I have a choice,which I do,I don't even push it in those conditions,but for dry normal weather the speed limits are underposted to begin with. The immature retard is the self -appointed traffic cop that has some power trip for holding up the left lane and screwing up the flow of traffic. IF speed limits were set to a more realisitic speed there wouldn't be too many people carrying radar detectors. The autobahn in Germany is much safer than roads in the U.S. with their higher speed limits because of strict lane discipline. Too bad it isn't done here. It is much easier to catch speeders and generate easy revenue.

[Farmer_Joe]

When the primary hi ways were 100km/hr there were always those who'd travel 110-120. A couple yrs ago the speed limit was raised to 110 and now the same selfish ppl run 120-130.

What is a reasonable limit Jack5 that everyone will follow responsibly?

Doesn't matter what the limit is set to, there is always gonna be those who think they can go faster and do it without consequence... until one day they run out of road and time to react and plow into somebody else. Chances are they won't still be among the living to be told "I told you so".

As long I'm doing the limit I'm not slower traffic. Too bad Jack5, you do not have a leg to stand on in your arguement and every LEO here will tell you that. ;)

Let's see a link to your stats of how safe the Autobahn is in Germany as compare to the anywhere NA.

"It is much easier to catch speeders and generate easy revenue."

It certainly is considering the number of fools out there who refuse to mature with age and learn from their mistakes - it'll always be someone else's fault.

[The_Governor]

Canadian logic just tears me up,eh!!! :harhar: :wow:

[Flying Dutchman]

The sheer magnitude of traffic accidents in the USA - compared to Germany - is indeed a neat comparison. Their highways are safer than ours, despite having worse weather (snow year-round in some places) and the average velocity being much higher than in the USA. Also, they do not have posted speed limits in some locations and they have no (enforced) drinking age!

In Germany at least, seat belt use is mandatory (I have mixed feelings about that issue myself), turn signal usage is strictly enforced at all times and it is illegal to use the left-hand lane unless you are passing.

Another factor is that you must be 18 to drive there (mixed feelings again), driving school is much longer & harder than here and everyone must learn to drive a stick-shift car and part of the driving test involves driving during inclement weather. They don't shut everything down for one inch of snow the way we do here.
:wtf:

Car and Driver (or maybe it was Motor Trend) did a study about this years ago, and it also showed that places in the USA with higher speed limits actually had fewer per million miles crashes and fatalities than in places where higher speeds were greatly restricted.

Even in VA, our death rate per million miles driven declined when the limit was raised from 55 to 65 mph and then again when the split speed limits were eliminated.


Jack is definitely onto something about "left-lane hogging" and other boorish behavior. I also see quite a few self-appointed 'speed guardians' who actually go out of their way - at the risk of general safety of other motorists - to prevent faster vehicles from passing them. This, of course, creates the bobbing and weaving effect that anybody who travels I-95 will experience daily!

Farmer Joe is right than there are too many people who might be 'passing him'; but it should not be an issue if he stays to the right. The left lane is not reserved for anybody and (as Jack said) is not a "cruising lane" established for those too lazy to concern themselves with tasks that might require merging with traffic, getting out of the way of someone else or exhibiting a modicum of courtesy to other drivers.

My work truck is governed at 72 mph, which typically relegates me to right-lane running. No prob, I guess. I move to the center lane to pass slower cars or to allow on-ramp traffic to safely merge; then it is back to the right lane -- as it should be. How hard is it to move one's fat little finger up to the blinker lever anyway? Sheesh!
:chase:

If someone is going faster than I am, I prefer moving over and letting them go by - than to having them crawling up my rear bumper and endangering my safety.


Flying Dutchman; avoids the herding instinct when driving and still wonders what happened to courtesy and common sense


P.S. We have "Slower Traffic Keep Right" signs all over our highways, but they are largely unenforced. Nobody wants to be thought of as a 'slower driver', so I think they should change it to "Keep Right Except To Pass" instead. After that, they could be enforced without ambiguity.

[Jack5]

Flying Dutchman:THANK YOU. BTW,I may be wrong but weren't you a VA trooper before? Maybe I do have a leg or two to stand on. Yes,I agree,the signs should be KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. That makes more sense. Here in Tx. we have signs in black and white that says LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY. CO. and MN. have already writtten tickets to the self-appointed traffic cops. The goal of the left lane is to PASS THE VEHICLE AND MOVE OVER and do it at most within a mile,not 10 miles. I RARELY get tailgated or passed on the right when I pass quickly and then signal my intention to move back right. It's just courtesy and common sense. Some people have been watching too many episodes of Andy Griffith :rofl: .

[Flying Dutchman]

Flying Dutchman:THANK YOU. BTW,I may be wrong but weren't you a VA trooper before?


No, I was never a trooper. I was just a lowly deputy sheriff (in a rural area without any police department), but only did it for about a year. I gotta admit that some of it was eye-opening and lots of fun, but found that it was not quite as exciting as I thought it would be. I also was not fond of a lot of the 'politics' involved with the department.

I did get the chance to know a lot of troopers, though, as they did a lot of traffic duty in our county and testifed in court with us. We backed them up when they requested, and they were good about helping out our guys as well.

Better to be a 'has been' than a 'wanna be' in my eyes. Besides, I was an o/o locally for 14 years before that and am now back to driving as a company employee (CDL straight truck). I'd rather be "on the road" all day and know that I still get to sleep in my own bed at night. Having weekends off, making a bit more money and not having to do shift work was a big plus for me and I don't have to worry about truck repairs, fuel expenses and maintenance headaches.


Maybe I do have a leg or two to stand on. Yes,I agree,the signs should be KEEP RIGHT EXCEPT TO PASS. That makes more sense. Here in Tx. we have signs in black and white that says LEFT LANE FOR PASSING ONLY. CO. and MN. have already writtten tickets to the self-appointed traffic cops. The goal of the left lane is to PASS THE VEHICLE AND MOVE OVER and do it at most within a mile,not 10 miles. I RARELY get tailgated or passed on the right when I pass quickly and then signal my intention to move back right. It's just courtesy and common sense. Some people have been watching too many episodes of Andy Griffith :rofl: .


Glad to hear that some states are enforcing it, but I doubt much will change here. Too many people in VA are still fighting the Civil War. :wacko:

Anyway, we can hope. And yes, you do have a leg to stand on. What should be common sense to everyone is obvious to at least a few of us. The best we can do is change people's minds one at a time; although it is often an uphill battle. I got my ex-wife, my brother and my girlfriend to all be better & more courteous drivers by extolling to them the virtues of 'keeping right & passing left'; and can only hope they'll pass it on to some more people throughout their lives.



Here are some that go largely unenforced in our state: Not using directional signals and left-lane hogging are two of the most egregious infractions against smooth, swift and safe highway travel.



§ 46.2-848. Signals required on backing, stopping, or turning.

Every driver who intends to back, stop, turn, or partly turn from a direct line shall first see that such movement can be made safely and, whenever the operation of any other vehicle may be affected by such movement, shall give the signals required in this article, plainly visible to the driver of such other vehicle, of his intention to make such movement.

46.2-860. Failing to give proper signals.

A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who fails to give adequate and timely signals of intention to turn, partly turn, slow down, or stop, as required by Article 6 (§ 46.2-848 et seq.) of this chapter.


§ 46.2-842.1. Drivers to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highways.

It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to overtaking traffic when driving a motor vehicle to the left and abreast of another motor vehicle on a divided highway. On audible or light signal, the driver of the overtaken vehicle shall move to the right to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken vehicle can safely do so. A violation of this section shall not be construed as negligence per se in any civil action.


Then, there is always this final one - Aggressive Driving. While I think that it would be applied to the person behind a left-lane bandit who does something out of rage or desperation, the guy causing the rolling traffic jam might be culpable as well.

§ 46.2-868.1. Aggressive driving; penalties.

A. A person is guilty of aggressive driving if (i) the person violates one or more of the following: § 46.2-802 (Drive on right side of highways), § 46.2-804 (Failure to observe lanes marked for traffic), § 46.2-816 (Following too closely), § 46.2-821 (Vehicles before entering certain highways shall stop or yield right-of-way), § 46.2-833.1 (Evasion of traffic control devices), § 46.2-838 (Passing when overtaking a vehicle), § 46.2-841 (When overtaking vehicle may pass on right), § 46.2-842 (Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle), § 46.2-842.1 (Driver to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highway), § 46.2-843 (Limitations on overtaking and passing), any provision of Article 8 (§ 46.2-870 et seq.) of Chapter 8 of Title 46.2 (Speed), or § 46.2-888 (Stopping on highways); and (ii) that person is a hazard to another person or commits an offense in clause (i) with the intent to harass, intimidate, injure or obstruct another person.

B. Aggressive driving shall be punished as a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, aggressive driving with the intent to injure another person shall be punished as a Class 1 misdemeanor. In addition to the penalties described in this subsection, the court may require successful completion of an aggressive driving program.

(2002, cc. 752, 782.)


NOTE: Reckless driving is a Class I Misdemeanor in VA.


I know that CP can enlighten us further. I have never heard of anyone or seen anyone in court who was charged under the "Aggressive Driving" statute, although I know it has happened somewhere in this state. Too often, other code sections apply that are easier to write and prove in court.

[Crystal Pistol]

Well, I don't agree with the "Keep Right Except to Pass" concept.

You are asking all traffic not passing to stay in the right lane which makes for one very dense traffic line in the right lane, a more sparse traffic lane in the left, and many more lane changes as people feel they must pull to the right when not actually passing another vehicle. This also puts that more dense packed lane of traffic against every exit and every entrance ramp, and it places it nearest me when I am out on 96% of my stops and wrecks that I have managed to get moved out of the roadway. It places it against the same shoulder you may one day be using as you change a tire or wait for a wrecker to tow your disabled SUV to a shop.

Comparing european highways to our highways is comparing apples and oranges. There are aspects of the driver's attituides that go back into the past cultures that are vastly different, the traffic density is different, the whole supporting secondary roadway is a different system.

Here, there are two lanes going north, and two lanes going south, and both are open to traffic for general use, except under certain restrictiions brought on in the interest of safety (ie: "slower traffic keep right" on uphill grades where posted for example, is to keep those trucks or cars running 50.6 mph from drag racing the other truck or car running 50.3 mph for 3 miles up hill as traffic backs up for a mile+).

Car & Driver used to be a good rag, but they lost me 15-20 years ago. They have an agenda all their own, and it isn't safety related as they profess .... it's to sell their advertisers highpriced cars and gadjets like jammers and detectors. They have also tapped into the market for stories that paint our highway safety iniatives as arcane or $$$ based while painting the view of european highways much greener than it really is. They have been corrupted IMHO by the chase for the very $$$ they so often have villified.

FD, those code sections do get enforcement, but with so few officers in relation to the ever increasing traffic volumes and the calls generated that draw officers away, it is patrol and enforcement time that gets reduced as those other calls have to be answered ... things like wrecks, gas drive offs, domestics, larcenies, assaults, etc. I use 848 for normal failure to signal, and 860 when they come close to, or actually cause a wreck.

I rarely ever witness a violation of 842.1 while working. I'll also point out that it's not an enforceable violation when all of them are running at extra-legal speeds. A car running 74 in the left lane (whether passing a car running 68, or even not passing) who fails to pull over for a "BBR" who wants to run 85 and flashes his lights at the car that slowed him to 74 ... all while on a highway marked "Speed Limit 65 MPH" is not enforceable under this section.

Later .........

[Flying Dutchman]

Ah, speak of the devil. I just posted a message that you would be along to enlighten us and......Voila!!......you appear out of nowhere.

:chase:

As for the "keep right except to pass" concept, it works very well in other states. I took a trip to Michigan last August and I saw those signs on the PA Turnpike. It did indeed help a lot, either because more drivers understood the concept or perhaps they actually do enforce it there.....I just don't know.

I also know it works in Germany; and you are still correct about the cultural differences. That can't be discounted, sir. You hit the nail on the head with that, CP.

I think there is a difference between all vehicles using all lanes and the problem of someone who is definitely impeding traffic. And you are right about the truck going 50.4 and the one next to it going 50.3. I have both seen that first-hand AND admit to being one of those trucks myself.
:wtf:

Perhaps it is all about 'attitude' and the ignorant, arrogant mentality that so many people have adopted as their own. Too many people think they have rights to this, rights to that and that society should bend over just for them -- without realizing their effect on everyone else. Maybe this is why our society has become so dumbed-down compared to how it used to be.

We'll never solve all of the world's problems here, but it is pretty obvious that fixing some of the mess involves little more than 'enforcing' what should be common courtesy and what we used to know as common sense.

In a nutshell, if everyone just moved over when it was safe to do so and allowed faster traffic to pass safely, there would be far fewer problems, less road rage, fewer collisions and driving would be much more pleasurable that in has become.


Flying Dutchman; knows that courtesy is contagious



Okay, end of rant. Gotta go and wash the cars!

[Farmer_Joe]

Farmer Joe is right than there are too many people who might be 'passing him'; but it should not be an issue if he stays to the right. The left lane is not reserved for anybody and (as Jack said) is not a "cruising lane" established for those too lazy to concern themselves with tasks that might require merging with traffic, getting out of the way of someone else or exhibiting a modicum of courtesy to other drivers.

When this arguement began a few months ago between Jack5 & I, I had made the point then about when I refuse to stay far right all the time is within the city limits on trk routes, especially when the right lane turns "right only" every few miles. If it's only a two lane - then I stay in the left lane, 3 or more lanes - I'm 2nd from the right so I am not constantly changing lanes back and forth.

I pull B trains - I'm nearly twice the weight of most cmvs', over twenty feet longer, I need considerably more room to operate within safely and constant lane changing with a 95' rig in congested traffic so as not interfer with the speeder idiots is foolish pratice and far more dangerous of loosing sight in my blind spots - running over someone.

Away from the cities where I don't need to be concerned with merging traffic or getting "boxed" into right turn only lanes; I stay in the right lane all time and enjoy my day doing my own thing.

[Crystal Pistol]

§ 46.2-868.1. Aggressive driving; penalties.

A. A person is guilty of aggressive driving if (i) the person violates one or more of the following: § 46.2-802 (Drive on right side of highways), § 46.2-804 (Failure to observe lanes marked for traffic), § 46.2-816 (Following too closely), § 46.2-821 (Vehicles before entering certain highways shall stop or yield right-of-way), § 46.2-833.1 (Evasion of traffic control devices), § 46.2-838 (Passing when overtaking a vehicle), § 46.2-841 (When overtaking vehicle may pass on right), § 46.2-842 (Driver to give way to overtaking vehicle), § 46.2-842.1 (Driver to give way to certain overtaking vehicles on divided highway), § 46.2-843 (Limitations on overtaking and passing), any provision of Article 8 (§ 46.2-870 et seq.) of Chapter 8 of Title 46.2 (Speed), or § 46.2-888 (Stopping on highways); and (ii) that person is a hazard to another person or commits an offense in clause (i) with the intent to harass, intimidate, injure or obstruct another person.

B. Aggressive driving shall be punished as a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, aggressive driving with the intent to injure another person shall be punished as a Class 1 misdemeanor. In addition to the penalties described in this subsection, the court may require successful completion of an aggressive driving program.

(2002, cc. 752, 782.)


NOTE: Reckless driving is a Class I Misdemeanor in VA.


I know that CP can enlighten us further. I have never heard of anyone or seen anyone in court who was charged under the "Aggressive Driving" statute, although I know it has happened somewhere in this state. Too often, other code sections apply that are easier to write and prove in court.

The whole "Aggresive Driving" statute is a "Feel Good Pill" for the GA, it was to appease constituants, to say "Look, we did something".

Any act committed that qualifies under 868.1 will also fit under one of the several various Reckless Driving statutes, and they all are punished as Class 1 misdemeanors. To place a charge under this section when you are going to have to prove the exact same elements as you would under a RD statute seems folly to me. For this reason alone, I doubt you will hear of this statutes use.

For any one interested ... I might mention that Class 1 misdemeanors are puinisheable by a fine of up to $2,500 and / or 12 months in jail, or both such fine and jail sentence. RD also carries an additional possibility of a license suspension.

:)

[Crystal Pistol]

Hey FD, I guess we are posting all over top of each other ..... sorry 'bout that. :type:

Lots of good info brought up, a good "stirring of the mind" (or "pot") .... good posts ;)

I must now go get a cup ....... :chug:

Later .......

[Flying Dutchman]

I pull B trains - I'm nearly twice the weight of most cmvs', over twenty feet longer, I need considerably more room to operate within safely and constant lane changing with a 95' rig in congested traffic so as not interfer with the speeder idiots is foolish pratice and far more dangerous of loosing sight in my blind spots - running over someone.



B-Trains? Isn't that a 48-foot trailer with a 28-footer hooked up behind it? They are not used here (VA), although we do have 'traditional' doubles with pups. When I went to Michigan in August, I saw plenty of triple-pups when I was on the Ohio Turnpike.

Quite amazing to see those beasts going safely down the road, sir. While this is a trucking forum, most of my "keep right" posts are more pertinent to four-wheelers than commercial vehicles.


Hey FD, I guess we are posting all over top of each other ..... sorry 'bout that.

Lots of good info brought up, a good "stirring of the mind" (or "pot") .... good posts.



Thanks for the kind words and your explanation as to why I never saw anyone in court for 'aggressive driving'. That would be kind of a waste of time, huh? Maybe it would be similar to someone being charged with simple assault when they were guilty of malicious wounding.
;)

Anyway, I can see why you might feel differently about the "keeping right" issue. I-81 and those other roads in your neck of the woods are much different than I-95, I-295 or any of the DC area highways. Having three travel lanes changes the mix of things just a bit, I guess.

But be safe out there, okay?

Flying Dutchman; enjoying the weekend

:fishing:

[Farmer_Joe]

FD, here's a pic of the very trk that I drive. It's licensed for 62.5mt (137,750lbs), I made a typo - the total length is 85', each trl is 31'.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/protrker/fj_grain_train_3.jpg

[Pipester]

FD, here's a pic of the very trk that I drive. It's licensed for 62.5mt (137,750lbs), I made a typo - the total length is 85', each trl is 31'.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v150/protrker/fj_grain_train_3.jpg


The LEGAL length should 25 meters or 82 feet.

A standard B should be 31 lead and 28 pup.

[Farmer_Joe]

Sask length restrictions (http://www.highways.gov.sk.ca/docs/trucking/transport_compliance/Permit_Conditons.asp)

I did however, just to be sure, went & measured the trls and they're both 31's. The only time I have ever seen a 28' pup is on a B flat deck.

I'm pretty sure the trk's wb is about 260". The paper work is in the trk and the trk is at the doctor's getting an inframe done, so I'm not sure. I don't think I'm less 25m.

I thought it was 27.5m I had to be less than, unless there is a different rule for trains? I don't recall ever seeing "D" signs or flashing lights behind triples or C trains and they're over 31m.

[Gator]

Some people.......Joe,That Canadian truck,I can't think of the name of the company,usually have nice petes,redish color pulling same color trailer,with large graphics on the side,like a Southwestern setting or something,operate out of Ontario possibly,those guys must be some form of Canadian chicken haulers,I almost always see thier trucks getting after it and staying out of peoples way,unlike alot of other drivers from both the US and Canada,who believe frequenting the left lane and holding up traffic for no apparent reason is the proper thing to do.

48' and a 28' set of trailers...thats childs play,around where I live,they allow sets of 53' trailers,did quite a bit of that for a while,one round a day,OKC to KC,Mo. and back made for some exciting times,middle of nowhere KS,snow and Ice...just too much fun.Specially navigating the city streets of OKC,pretty much go from point A to B with those monsters.


Is there anywhere in Canada where drivers(car or truck)can legally drive at speeds of 70-75mph?

[Farmer_Joe]

Some people.......the proper thing to do.

Ah yes, some people is right! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It's redish in color, has big graphics on the side in some special sort of font style & operates out Ontario possibly..... hmmmm.... you passed the trk twice on Friday but can't remember the name, but you're sure it was cdn trk because..... :wacko:

The proper thing to do is for you to quit with your fairy tale telling Gator, you're just not any good at it. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

48' and a 28' set of trailers...thats childs play

Given that you posted a few months ago about driving drunk (http://www.truckstopusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=42547&highlight=#42547), so drunk you couldn't remember if you drove home.... now here (http://www.truckstopusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=53620&highlight=#53620) in this thread you're suggesting or maybe more accurately accusing LEOs of selling confiscated RDs on ebay b/c their salaries suck and again here (http://www.truckstopusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=53497&highlight=#53497). You sir are a fruitcake! I think the story that you've previously drove 120' of trk and it was child's play is... well... just another story like that redish color outlaw cdn chicken hauler.


Is there anywhere in Canada where drivers(car or truck)can legally drive at speeds of 70-75mph?

110km/hr = 68mph -> close enough. ;)

[Gator]

Farmer Joe,do you have a hard time with reading?Do you take everything literally?It must make for some very long days for you.I was however joking when I said pulling your doubles was childsplay,I did not say pulling a set of 53'ers is childplay,but I can tell you have got an issue with me and seem to have nothing better to do than to follow me around on web sites trashing me when I post....now that sir is childish and a bit freaking strange.

BTW,the Canadian truck passed me,I see those trucks rarely,but have seen them before,what I remembered was his license plate on the trailer and the fact I've seen those trucks before.I don't make it a point to memorize the names of every truck I pass,specially when I've got the cruise set at 75mph the Xm on and am scooting over as not to crowd the truck on the shoulder.Are you trying to say that there is no possibility of a Canadian truck running at high speeds?

68 MPH is the highest posted speed limit in all of Canada?....that stinks!


I also stand behind my theory of some cops,definately not many,possibly confiscate radar detectors and even other stuff and sell it elsewhere,there are crooked cops,though thankfully its rare,but unfortunately it happens.Perhaps up there in Canada,all is right in the world and it just doesn't happen that way.

[Farmer_Joe]

I don't take anything you say literal b/c I think you're full of shyt - that's what I was getting at when I said you weren't any good at fairy tale telling. ;) :rofl:

You singled me out on the previous page & made some cut remark about cdn trks in your country and now you're bawling that I'm following you around web sites to harrass you? When was your last medical, did they do a psyche test? :wacko:

Still hanging on to that cdn trk tale.... you saw his license plate but you're not sure if was from Ontario or not (it'll say it right on there what province specifically). He passed you and then you passed him again a few minutes later b/c he was disabled on the side of the road, but you can't remember much more about it other than it was a cdn trk?

I think it's pretty sad some of the garbage you post on these forums in hopes to garner a little attention for yourself. You sure have some wild theories and sketchy fairy tales. I betcha if you proof read what you've typed before hitting the submit button you then might realize what boob you sound like and perhaps you'd have 2nd thoughts about posting it.

But hey! if you want to carry on like a retard, I have no concerns with treating you like one. :rofl:

[Gator]

You have issues Farmer J.

I know it was a Canadian truck,I've seen the trucks before over the years,I do however think Canadian trucks should not be running around in the USA and I think our trucks have no business running up there.I feel the same about Mexico and Mexican trucks.

I also PM'd you,this nonsense out here in the forum,is childish,but apparently your thing....very strange.But at least you can see I think of you in very similar regards as you of me.

[Farmer_Joe]

You have issues Farmer J.

You betcha! I have a low tolerance level for stoopid ppl who are compulsive liars for no other reason than they have nothing else to say.

Your tale about some cdn trk that passed you like you were standing still while you were doing the limit of 75mph? You say you've seen the trk co several times over the yrs, and you say you saw the plate but can't be sure if it was from Ontario or not, it has big fancy graphics on the side but can't remeber what it read, you went by the trk twice last Friday and all you can say for sure is that it was a redish color and you know it was cdn trk.... your lying and you know I know it.

You told a foolish story in some lame attempt to dis me and where I'm from. Geez, you'd think one would try to be a little more imagitive than that. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Let's put things into prespective here. If that cdn driver were to get caught at the high rate of speed that you claim he was travelling, not only would it be a hefty fine, a possible trip to jail and a court appearance, plus tow and impound fees; the real kick in the nutts would be after he made it back to Canada, he then would never be allowed re-entry into the USA ever again! Not even as tourist. His otr career would be finished with a wreckless driving charge on his record. I just can't see it happening that a cdn driver would risk his livelyhood over doing something so stupid in another country so far from home. His DAC has to be flawless to even cross the border in the 1st place and now that he's there he's gonna run triple digits through the desert?....


Ok, you've peak my curiousity, what's your reasoning behind why cdn trks shouldn't be allowed in the US and vice versa?

You PM'd me? all it was was a bunch "@#$%$$*&&&#&$^%%#@". Were you typing in some sort of code? or were you drunk again?

[Big_Dave]

I can't think of the name of the company,usually have nice petes,redish color pulling same color trailer,with large graphics on the side,like a Southwestern setting or something,operate out of Ontario possibly,those guys must be some form of Canadian chicken haulers,I almost always see thier trucks getting after it and staying out of peoples way,unlike alot of other drivers from both the US and Canada,who believe frequenting the left lane and holding up traffic for no apparent reason is the proper thing to do.
This the company? (a pic of one of our members truck, from our photo gallery) The name of the company is Scotlyn (sp) I believe.
http://www.truckstopusa.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/ourtruck.JPG

[Gator]

Dave,that is the company,for some reason over the years,I've never actually made a mental note of the name of the company,I always think of that company by the graphics on the trailer...which I guess could be odd,but then I don't really have the need to keep track of every trucking company name out there,seems like there are for more important things to think about.

Also these trucks I have noticed over the years do run faster than most Canadian trucks.But then when I am in places like Mi,Oh or Il. where the speed limit for trucks is only 55 MPH I see plenty of Canadian trucks doing the same as American trucks,running 60-65 MPH,But that has probably just been a figment of my imagination over the years,obviously,according to the Farmer Joe,Canadian trucks would do no such thing.Me claiming such a far out thing is just a fairy tale I have created for some bazar reason :wacko:

My thing about Canadian and Mexican trucks in the USA and us traveling in thier countries....that is a whole other deal....this was a radar detector thread :wtf:

[wombat]

Geeze take the bickering and go over to that 'other place' thats the place for it. :angry:

[Farmer_Joe]

Amazing! :yikes: The 1st picture someone throws out there and Yep! that's the company. You're too funny Gator. :rofl:

You said you were doing the limit of 75mph and this cdn trk went by you like you standing still - meaning a high rate of speed. Now you're babbling about cdn trks running 60-65 in a 55 zone for comparison sakes? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You're the one who made the comment about cdn & mexican trks in your country a couple of times in this thread, back it up with some substance or shut your mouth!

[Gator]

This is getting old Farmer Joe,you must be a very lonely Canadian,to keep on dwelling on such nonsense.

I can tell you though that a truck running 5MPH faster than another,will seem like one is passing the other like its standing still,for you to think or possibly even claim that there are no Canadian trucks in the entire USA capable of running or operating at such speed is nonsense.

Also 80MPH in a 75MPH area is the same law breaking situation as one doing 60MPH in a 55 zone....though it is different,on paper,it will be the same 5 over ticket.

The pic Dave put up,sure appears to have the same graphics and color scheme I described earlier,its not like there are many with this scheme,I described the truck and Dave being a fellow driver,obviously knew which company I was talking about.

Nice to see that you have no problem with Canadian trucks speeding in the 55mph states I mentioned.

Now why don't you go get in you lil kiddie truck toting those sissy set of pups and get back to thinking your driving a real truck.......or perhaps your one of those Canadian welfare recipients,pretending to be a farmer,like we have down here.Either way,it shouldn't take much rearranging of these last few words and requoting me,to fit your sad needs.BTW,don't take things so serious,my friend....it will lead to high blood pressure and other horrible things.

[Foxfire]

I got a radar detector! It's in a box somewhere in my room. A good friend of mine gave it to me and not long after he got killed so it will remain in one of my memory boxes for that purpose. To be honest, I don't even know if it works.

[Big_Dave]

The pic Dave put up,sure appears to have the same graphics and color scheme I described earlier,its not like there are many with this scheme,I described the truck and Dave being a fellow driver,obviously knew which company I was talking about.
I see their trucks all the time, that's how I knew which company you were talking about.

What was the subject again.......oh yeah, do you have a radar detector in the truck. ;)

[Gator]

I haven't seen thier trucks much lately,because of the lanes I travel in,but used to see them alot,this time of year with produce coming out of the area I run in and out of most,I end up seeing alot of comapnies I rarely see for a few months,which unfortunately leads to crowding at some of the places I frequent.

Subject:radar detectors :chase: :ninja:

[Farmer_Joe]

Yes, I can certainly understand why you want to drop this Gator, you keep digging yourself a deeper hole with each post you make showing your ignorance of the world around you. You're a prime example of lost in your own world.


What was the original topic again? ......by the 2nd reply it had switched to crooked cops selling illegal toys on ebay that they've confiscated from the driving public to make up for their shortfalls in salary. And from there it took many turns after that by the author himself, I doubt if he knows anymore. :rofl:

[Flying Dutchman]

Can't the two of you just get a room?

:harhar: :cheers:

[Gator]

You've obviously lost steam there Farmer Joe....your nonsense bores me.

Talk about someone lost in thier own world,you should know about things such as that,your postings I have read,seem to show how wrapped up you are in your own little world... :xbounce:

RADAR DETECTORS :fight:


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[PowerStroke62]

Don't carry a radar detector in the truck or personal vehicles and never have.Have seen too many people who run them still get tickets so whats the point or at least thats my way of looking at it.
:cheers: :cool:

[Crystal Pistol]

:type: I don't have one in my "truck" either. :fishing:

[Big_Dave]

:type: I don't have one in my "truck" either. :fishing:
Even though they're illegal in your state, with your chosen profession, you shouldn't have one. :p ;)

[Flying Dutchman]

He doesn't need one, Dave. A badge works better than any detector on the market.
:cheers: :cool:


Flying Dutchman; maintaining a sense of humor
:harhar: :chase:

[Gator]

Do LEO's ever actually get speeding tickets :D

[PowerStroke62]

Do LEO's ever actually get speeding tickets :D
Not the ones ive seen in Illinois just crusing along at 75 in the left lane no lights and not in emergency mode just strolling along would love to see one of those guys get a ticket but bet it will never happen :)

[Flying Dutchman]

I am sure it's happened. I knew guys on the force who would write their own mother a ticket.

Professional courtesy certainly exists, but "counting on it" wherever you go is a recipe for disaster. There is a difference between giving a guy the benefit of the doubt for a minor infraction and a lawman thinking he has carte blanch to do whatever he darn well pleases. {Can you say "abuse of authority?" Sure you can.}


Flying Dutchman; saying goodnight until tomorrow evening

[Crystal Pistol]

Do LEO's ever actually get speeding tickets :D
Some do.

Most can get around in a personally owned vehicle and never get stopped because they can read and understand the laws and they can apply a touch of common sense and they understand it is a courtesy to be seen obeying the laws when in your "neighbor's back yard". There are however ... "exceptions" ... and of those "exceptions", some get tickets, and some get warnings just like truck drivers and salesmen and preachers and etc.

When working and in their jurisdiction, there are many reasons for which you may see them slipping along, with or without lights.

I knew guys on the force who would write their own mother a ticket.
One thing about it though ...
... "Once Momma goes in the book, anybody's fair game!" :rofl:

In reality, those guys often had parents that were themselves very law abiding and who have simply passed those ideas along, truth is there is little likelyhood of them ever being put in that spot.

[Gator]

This might quite possibly be a personal record for a thread that I have started :rofl:

[PowerStroke62]

This might quite possibly be a personal record for a thread that I have started :rofl:
Well congrats gator on that milestone just had to add at least one more post to it :) :harhar: :cheers: :type: :rofl: :D

[Gator]

Thank you :bye:

[DANMELISSA]

I used to carry 1 in my truck over 5 yrs ago, and it used to talk to me and say "yer git'n a ticket". It did me no good, and I took it out. A nice officer told me I should follow the five finger rule and I have'nt had a ticket in over 5 yrs....http://www.expediterworld.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10066/thumb_PIC_0018.JPG

[wombat]

Five finger rule??????

I know the one finger rule but not the 'Five Finger Rule'

What is it

[manager]

never found the need to own a detector myself

[Capt._Chaos]

I see it this way- if a driver sees the need to operate illegally to make a living then they're a victim of their own chosen circumstances.

While I will admit to "pushing the envelope" in those "double-nickel" states, I choose to obey the law otherwise.

Capt.: Outgrew the "Billy Big Rigger Days".

[The_Governor]

Interstate and highways I'll run just at 5 over the posted speed if weather conditions permit.

In town and residential streets and when you see those signs that read "Reduced Speed Ahead" well I obey those to the letter.

Have'nt had a problem in years.

[Jack5]

SLOWPOKES. :rofl:

[manager]

SLOWPOKES. :rofl:

do you have a clean licence? I do

[David_Reed]

Not since 1984 when I learned the people who make radar detectors also make the radar systems used by LEO's.

They are designed to "announce" themselves electronically, so, consequently, as I was told by a rep of Bell Electronics at a trade show in Vegas, the cops can tell if you are using one.

So, I don't own one since then.